Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities
Emphasis: (Robert - do you accept personal family knowledge as a documentation?) Yes, I do, provided that I believe the person giving me that knowledge is not habitually forgetful or anything, and is alive. g If I have something like, My mother told me that Aunt Sarah used to make pork soup, then I use: Descended family knowledge as my source. Descended family knowledge is not one of Legacy's default's, you will need to add it if you want to use this. Doing this helps me to keep separate items I was personally told face to face, and items I was told via another person. At 2009-12-27 09:03 AM, you wrote: Connie, Thank you for a fine (and very clear) explanation of your methods. I certainly like your idea of using the Title Prefix, and will use it. It solves a dilemma I have experienced for some time, and seems exactly right. I do have a question about what you say about adding people (who may or may not be connected to your tree (I'm assuming what you call tree is what Legacy calls family file and I think of as data base) Do you have a separate tree for each person, or do you have one tree that is for all such people? I do like Robert's idea of having one pristine and documented tree/family file, as well. I am just not sure how I would document those I KNOW from my own family experience, are legitimate family members, but have never gotten official documentation such as birth certificates, etc. For ex.: I knew my Aunt Zua all my life, and know her to be my grandfather's sister, so I have never spent time tracking down official proof of her parentage. (Robert - do you accept personal family knowledge as a documentation?) I asked for the training tapes of Legacy for Christmas, so perhaps later I won't have so many newbie questions (I have actually used Legacy for a year or more). Thank you so much for taking the time to explain your method so well. And thanks to all those who so graciously came to my rescue on a question that has bothered me from the beginning. Jane S. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Connie mailto:garden...@wbcable.netgarden...@wbcable.net wrote: Not every person I come across with a same surname, timeframe and location ect do I add into my family tree. Some will only make it as far as in research notes, or will be added in their own tree which is NOT linked my main family tree. Those people are ones who reoccur in my research but I have NO IDEA how they might connect to my family line But then there are others Iâll find who Iâm family certain they do belong, but have not found concrete proof Those I handle a bit differentlyy as explained below: I link them in my main database where I believe they fit, adding a notation in the _Title Prefix_ placeholder (this field is normally reserved for titles such as Sir, Knight, King etc.; First name: John Last name: Powers Title Prefix: [possible son of Adam] -or- First name: Jane Last name: Smith Title Prefix: [possible wife of Adam Powers] And so on It is easy via the search function to locate anyone with a '[' in their name. ( SearchFindIndividualPrefixContains[ ) Linking them allows me to see at a glance where I âthinkâ they belong within the tree structure, yet at the same time making it clear (as it will show up as part of their name) the relationship is unproven requiring more research to confirm. I have found it the easiest way for me to keep track of them, whereas keeping them only in notes or in a separate tree or database Iâd likely forget all about them for the most part I have also used this same tactic (adding a note to the Title Prefix spot to families I have researched and determined are not part of my family line even though they are living in the same area; same timeframe and with same surname etc.  They will be entered into their own tree, not connected to my family tree as; First name: Jane Last name: Smith Prefix Title: [NOT my family line] This allows this Jane Smith to sort with the âotherâ Jane Smithâs and yet will be easily recognizable that this particular Jane is not part of my family line. It also keeps me aware of who I have researched and determined to NOT be my family very helpful with some of my families who havve common surnames such as Smith, Williams, Gibson etc. Not saying this is the BEST way, but works well for me. I hope I've explained my method clearly. It's easy to do, but not nearly as easy to explain :-) Connie Spindel Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities
Jane, I have added SOURCES such as: Personal Knowledge of [Persons Name] Collected family papers and Notes Interview with [Persons Name] (Actually- Surname, First Name - Personal Interview) Hoff Email - [Person Who sent Email] To me these are sources (though the Email may be a questionable one) Keith -- Find-A-Grave County Keeper for Schuylkill County, PA Keith A. McKain McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 - # Mc17936 Website: http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64 Email: geosc...@comcast.net On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: Connie, Thank you for a fine (and very clear) explanation of your methods. I certainly like your idea of using the Title Prefix, and will use it. It solves a dilemma I have experienced for some time, and seems exactly right. I do have a question about what you say about adding people (who may or may not be connected to your tree (I'm assuming what you call tree is what Legacy calls family file and I think of as data base) Do you have a separate tree for each person, or do you have one tree that is for all such people? I do like Robert's idea of having one pristine and documented tree/family file, as well. I am just not sure how I would document those I KNOW from my own family experience, are legitimate family members, but have never gotten official documentation such as birth certificates, etc. For ex.: I knew my Aunt Zua all my life, and know her to be my grandfather's sister, so I have never spent time tracking down official proof of her parentage. (Robert - do you accept personal family knowledge as a documentation?) I asked for the training tapes of Legacy for Christmas, so perhaps later I won't have so many newbie questions (I have actually used Legacy for a year or more). Thank you so much for taking the time to explain your method so well. And thanks to all those who so graciously came to my rescue on a question that has bothered me from the beginning. Jane S. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Connie garden...@wbcable.net wrote: Not every person I come across with a same surname, timeframe and location ect do I add into my family tree. Some will only make it as far as in research notes, or will be added in their own tree which is NOT linked my main family tree. Those people are ones who reoccur in my research but I have NO IDEA how they might connect to my family line… But then there are others I’ll find who I’m family certain they do belong, but have not found concrete proof… Those I handle a bit differently as explained below: I link them in my main database where I believe they fit, adding a notation in the _Title Prefix_ placeholder (this field is normally reserved for titles such as Sir, Knight, King etc.; First name: John Last name: Powers Title Prefix: [possible son of Adam] -or- First name: Jane Last name: Smith Title Prefix: [possible wife of Adam Powers] And so on… It is easy via the search function to locate anyone with a '[' in their name. ( SearchFindIndividualPrefixContains[ ) Linking them allows me to see at a glance where I ‘think’ they belong within the tree structure, yet at the same time making it clear (as it will show up as part of their name) the relationship is unproven requiring more research to confirm. I have found it the easiest way for me to keep track of them, whereas keeping them only in notes or in a separate tree or database I’d likely forget all about them for the most part… I have also used this same tactic (adding a note to the Title Prefix spot to families I have researched and determined are not part of my family line even though they are living in the same area; same timeframe and with same surname etc. They will be entered into their own tree, not connected to my family tree as; First name: Jane Last name: Smith Prefix Title: [NOT my family line] This allows this Jane Smith to sort with the ‘other’ Jane Smith’s and yet will be easily recognizable that this particular Jane is not part of my family line. It also keeps me aware of who I have researched and determined to NOT be my family – very helpful with some of my families who have common surnames such as Smith, Williams, Gibson etc. Not saying this is the BEST way, but works well for me. I hope I've explained my method clearly. It's easy to do, but not nearly as easy to explain :-) Connie Spindel Connie's Family History Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~familyhistorypages/ Maternal Surnames (in US) Andersen, Anthony, Batson, Carson, Cullum, Davis, Dickerson, Gibson, Harold, Hampson, Huston, Kennett, Larsen, Logan, Mann, Powers, Robison, Seaman, Shaw, Skinner and Sumners Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived
Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities
Jane, I have an event, ³Possible.² Anything entered here is clearly in the realm of speculation or theory. But entering the event ensures that I won¹t forget my thought process when I return to researching the individual in question. I enter a brief argument in the notes section, and add any sources that I might want to return to. Janis Walker Gilmore Pawleys Island, SC, Seattle, WA On 12/26/09 11:56 AM, sarlesinsi...@gmail.com sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: I have struggled with this question for a long time. It is hard to state it clearly. I should like to know how others handle putting into your data those people who MAY be related or connected to your family. For example: Persons living in the same county who have the same surname as your family, but you have found no connection. Persons who are strangers to you, but who are in - say a Rootweb World Connect Tree - as being a parent/sibling/child of your ancestor. Some one who, as a result of some kind of clue (family given names, in a deed with no relationship stated, etc.) appears to have a connection, but you don't know what it is. Person of a whole different surname, but whom you find repeatedly in your research on your surname, so suspect there may be a link. I never know what to do with these peripheral people, as far as inputting them into my Legacy program. Any suggestions? Jane S. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] multiple errors
The default installation path for Legacy has *always* been c:\Legacy. With Vista, it just became more critical because Legacy writes a lot of files to the program folder and Vista doesn't like that. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com] Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 7:18 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] multiple errors snip By the way, the main reason that Legacy is recommended to be installed into its own folder instead of the Program Files folder was to accommodate Vista users and problems that could come up with certain users not having proper permissions and a few other user access things that only happen in Vista. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] multiple errors
This doesn’t affect the .usr files. They have to be in the c:\Legacy folder. Plain text, please. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Original Message- From: Jim Walton [mailto:walton.geneal...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:14 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] multiple errors Randy, Have you gone to Options-Customize-Locations? That has nothing to do with Locations as Legacy normally uses, but is the locations of your data on the hard drive. A bit confusing, perhaps, but there you can change where Legacy looks for things. On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com wrote: Brian, I have all my user files but they're not being applied. That's why i think they're in the wrong folder. How to tell exactly which folder or subfolder they belong in? Randy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities
I don't. I use as the Source: 'Smith, Jane records', then listing the details what I recieved: copies of six letters 18 pages pedigree charts, 15 family group sheets, 20 pages photocopies of government documents. I use one manila folder for her stuff, then do the source work on each separately, with the repository in that folder. Unless you have a folder called personal family knowledge containing ALL of them. One of my biggest files has my name on it. Make yourself the source. Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: Robert Carneal USA carnea...@adelphia.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sun, December 27, 2009 7:28:20 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities Emphasis: (Robert - do you accept personal family knowledge as a documentation?) Yes, I do, provided that I believe the person giving me that knowledge is not habitually forgetful or anything, and is alive. g If I have something like, My mother told me that Aunt Sarah used to make pork soup, then I use: Descended family knowledge as my source. Descended family knowledge is not one of Legacy's default's, you will need to add it if you want to use this. Doing this helps me to keep separate items I was personally told face to face, and items I was told via another person. At 2009-12-27 09:03 AM, you wrote: Connie, Thank you for a fine (and very clear) explanation of your methods. I certainly like your idea of using the Title Prefix, and will use it. It solves a dilemma I have experienced for some time, and seems exactly right. I do have a question about what you say about adding people (who may or may not be connected to your tree (I'm assuming what you call tree is what Legacy calls family file and I think of as data base) Do you have a separate tree for each person, or do you have one tree that is for all such people? I do like Robert's idea of having one pristine and documented tree/family file, as well. I am just not sure how I would document those I KNOW from my own family experience, are legitimate family members, but have never gotten official documentation such as birth certificates, etc. For ex.: I knew my Aunt Zua all my life, and know her to be my grandfather's sister, so I have never spent time tracking down official proof of her parentage. (Robert - do you accept personal family knowledge as a documentation?) I asked for the training tapes of Legacy for Christmas, so perhaps later I won't have so many newbie questions (I have actually used Legacy for a year or more). Thank you so much for taking the time to explain your method so well. And thanks to all those who so graciously came to my rescue on a question that has bothered me from the beginning. Jane S. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Connie mailto:garden...@wbcable.netgarden...@wbcable.net wrote: Not every person I come across with a same surname, timeframe and location ect do I add into my family tree. Some will only make it as far as in research notes, or will be added in their own tree which is NOT linked my main family tree. Those people are ones who reoccur in my research but I have NO IDEA how they might connect to my family line But then there are others Iâll find who Iâm family certain they do belong, but have not found concrete proof Those I handle a bit differentlyy as explained below: I link them in my main database where I believe they fit, adding a notation in the _Title Prefix_ placeholder (this field is normally reserved for titles such as Sir, Knight, King etc.; First name: John Last name: Powers Title Prefix: [possible son of Adam] -or- First name: Jane Last name: Smith Title Prefix: [possible wife of Adam Powers] And so on It is easy via the search function to locate anyone with a '[' in their name. ( SearchFindIndividualPrefixContains[ ) Linking them allows me to see at a glance where I âthinkâ they belong within the tree structure, yet at the same time making it clear (as it will show up as part of their name) the relationship is unproven requiring more research to confirm. I have found it the easiest way for me to keep track of them, whereas keeping them only in notes or in a separate tree or database Iâd likely forget all about them for the most part I have also used this same tactic (adding a note to the Title Prefix spot to families I have researched and determined are not part of my family line even though they are living in the same area; same timeframe and with same surname etc.  They will be entered into their own tree, not connected to my family tree as; First name: Jane Last name: Smith Prefix Title: [NOT my family line] This allows this Jane Smith to sort with the âotherâ Jane Smithâs and yet will be easily recognizable that this particular Jane is not part of my family line. It also keeps me aware of who I have researched and determined to NOT be my family very helpful with some of my families who havve common surnames such as Smith, Williams, Gibson etc. Not saying
Re: [LegacyUG] multiple errors
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:39:34 -0800, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: You may very well run into problems with Legacy installed to the Program Files folder in Windows 7 also. We have heard reports of problems until it was correctly installed to the default c:\Legacy folder. I wasn't aware that Win 7 changed anything with respect to the Program Files folder. I assume any problems Legacy has with being installed there have to do with file/registry virtualization? -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] multiple errors
To accomplish an identical re-installation of Legacy: 1. Backup your family file onto an external drive, or other location on your existing hard drive. 2. Let Windows un-install the Legacy program. 3. Use Windows Explorer to manually rename the left-over Legacy folder to xLegacy --- or --- copy all left over data and folders to a suitable backup location. 4. Re-install Legacy to the same location as last time, almost always the default location of C:\Legacy\. 5. Copy all your saved data back to C:\Legacy\, over-write if necessary. This includes copying your saved family file. (Yes, copy...do not move just yet.) 6. Start the Legacy program and select File - Restore Family File. 7. My suggestioncheck Options/Customize/Locations to make sure things are pointing to the correct folders where your user created data files reside. 8. After you confirm that everything is back the way it should (this might take more than just a few seconds or even a few minutes), then and only then should you actually go back and delete the old xLegacy folder. Remember, this has a copy of your family file in it so make sure you really did copy your family file to the real Legacy folder. OK, some discussions on the above. The only thing left over after un-installing Legacy should be user created files still in the original folders. These include about 30 or more .USR files, your .FDB family database file(s), .JPG pictures, and a multitude of saved reports or gedcoms if you've created them. Note that these and other user created data files are all found in different folders (thus my sneaky little method of renaming the old Legacy to xLegacy to keep the structure intact). They all need to be but back in the same folders from which they came otherwise your new Legacy will not find them. Worst case scenario: you can always re-create your .USR settings from within your new installation of Legacy. You can always re-create saved reports and exported gedcoms, etc, etc, etcits just takes a little time. The ONLY THINGS that you cannot re-create are your .FDB family database file(s) and .JPG pictures. But you should always have a backup of those two items residing in a safe digital location somewhere at all times anyhow. NOTE TO SHERRY OR OTHER SUPPORT -- Check my item #5 above. I don't have a test-bed system right now to check this out so I'm not sure if a virgin installation will create any .USR files before the program is run the first time, thus my statement to overwrite if necessary. Also I'm assuming that the Legacy un-install procedure is smart enough and robust enough to clear the registry HKLM/Software/Millennia Corporation/Legacy 7.0 keys completely as well as delete all the other non-user created files in C:\Legacy. I think I'll test this out as soon as I get my test-bed back up again. I hate programs that leave stuff behind and I've never been a big fan of Millennia choosing to avoid the User/Application Data folders as suggested/recommended by Windows API (Send counter-arguments to the null device). -Original Message- From: Randy Clark [mailto:ceddaco...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:41 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] multiple errors Brian, I have all my user files but they're not being applied. That's why i think they're in the wrong folder. How to tell exactly which folder or subfolder they belong in? Randy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] multiple errors
Wow, great big grin here. Truth is truth! Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com] Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 3:50 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] multiple errors Dennis M. Kowallek said the following on 2009/12/28 01:44: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:39:34 -0800, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: You may very well run into problems with Legacy installed to the Program Files folder in Windows 7 also. We have heard reports of problems until it was correctly installed to the default c:\Legacy folder. I wasn't aware that Win 7 changed anything with respect to the Program Files folder. I assume any problems Legacy has with being installed there have to do with file/registry virtualization? Probably more to do with being developed in VisualBasic 6 - in existence well before the advent of Vista and Windows 7. -- Regards a Prosperous New Year to All, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
