Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Pauline B. Cramer]

I have been using Legacy Family Tree since version 4 and I have been a 
subscriber to the legacyusergroup for a long time.  I enjoy reading the 
Legacyusergroup emails, which I sometimes find useful.


I looked at the LUG FB a little, but did not find it useful and have not 
looked at it recently.  I have over 300 Facebook Friends, people with 
whom I share other interests.


I am thankful that the Legacy User Group does not have ads.  On google, 
etc., I got so tired of seeing the same ads pop up, photos of clothes or 
shoes I would never want to purchase, etc., so I finally opted out of 
ads.    Still get a lot of ads on, but  fewer and better quality of ads.


Pauline Cramer


On 1/8/2019 8:37 AM, Carolyn White via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
I have "followed" the FB page for a while but even though I'm signed 
up for notifications, I never get one (and because of that I never 
remember to go to the page).  I second the usefulness of the email list.


Carolyn White

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019, 11:35:11 AM EST, Sherry H 
 wrote:



I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't
keep up with it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do
in mailing lists

It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste
it into an email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the
mailing list won't get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB
page but there's no reason they can't get announcements or other
pertinent information about Legacy.

*Many email programs can thread a conversation for you.
*It's very easy to search emails - I think much easier than searching
in a FB group, esp if the emails have a good subject line.
*Sticky announcements are annoying - once I've read it, it's still
there in my face and I can't get rid of it. I can delete an email.
*If a mailing list is moderated, either members or posts, then you can
cut down on spam. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've seen
spam on any of the mailing lists I'm on. On FB, you have to wade
through all the ads that FB puts in a group. A moderated list can also
put a stop to a thread by rejecting posts
*Polls can be sent on mailing lists as well. I just responded to one
on a book list.
*I can choose to save emails that are of particular interest to me or
delete ones I have no interest in. They're all lumped together on FB.
*All the graphics on a FB page are annoying.
*Mailing lists *can* allow pictures. Up to the list owner.

I've been using FB for a few Christian groups and still not a fan - I
so wish they were mailing lists instead!

Sherry

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:58 AM Michele Lewis via LegacyUserGroup
> wrote:

>
> We have some complaints about the Facebook LUG getting more 
information than

> the email LUG. I wanted to explain why that is. The Facebook LUG is in a
> much easier format to post information. I can do ten times as much 
stuff on

> the Facebook LUG than I can do here and a lot faster.
>
> *Conversations are threaded so it is much easier to follow the 
conversations

>
> *You don't have to worry about "trimming" emails to make them more 
readable

> (and most people don't do this anyways)
> *It is very easy to search the group for past posts.
> *There is a section where we can upload files that are accessible to
> everyone
> *We have "sticky" announcements
> *Upcoming webinars are announced as well as links to the Legacy News 
posts

> *We can delete spam
> *We can close comments on a thread that has run its course
> *You can post screenshots which makes understanding problems (and 
explaining

> problems) so much easier
> *You can create polls (fun!)
>
> There are 1579 members of the email LUG.  There are 18,963 members 
of the

> Facebook LUG
>
> I know that there are some of you that have sworn you will never join
> Facebook. Unfortunately you will be missing out on some things. I 
can't make

> this email list do all of the things that Facebook can do.
>
> You can easily join Facebook and change your privacy settings so 
that you

> are pretty much incognito. You can make it so that no one can send you
> friend requests. You can format your name in such a way that it isn't
> obvious who you are (you can't post a fake name per Facebook rules 
but there
> is some flexibility). You can pretty much block everything. You need 
to go
> into the Privacy settings (all of the settings really) and go line 
by line

> to get it set up like you want. We have users that have Facebook for no
> other reason that the LUG group. I also HIGHLY recommend the browser
> extension F.B. Purity. It works with Facebook to give a TON of 
options on
> what you see and what you don't see. It gets rid of all the junk 
stuff (like

> ads).
>
> Totally up to you. I just wanted to explain why there is a difference
> between what you see and what they see. If you change your mind, you can
> join the Facebook LUG here: 

Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!

[CE WOOD]

AMEN!

CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Chris Hill 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 2:41 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!

What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - 
HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email 
mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked 
posts.

This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by 
game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software 
to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality.

These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users 
can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those 
posts other users can create additional posts.

Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or 
read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can 
be limited to developers and testers etc..

And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system.

Chris
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Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!

[CE WOOD]

Amen! And I AM shouting!


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Gene Wheeler 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 4:06 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!

Well said, Chris! We can only hope.

Gene

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:47 PM Chris Hill 
mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - 
HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email 
mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked 
posts.

This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by 
game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software 
to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality.

These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users 
can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those 
posts other users can create additional posts.

Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or 
read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can 
be limited to developers and testers etc..

And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system.

Chris
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Re: [LegacyUG] siblings become spouses when printing a family group sheet

[CE WOOD]

Don't hold your breath. Before acquisition bu Heritage, Legacy was much more 
responsive, but seldom many years long problems are still awaiting fixes. It is 
why many early Legacy users have not upgraded to the incredibly bug-ridden and 
ridiculous Legacy 8 and then Legacy 9. Those trying to produce reports for 
clients have migrated. So sad for a once excellent program.


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
ElisabethJohnson via LegacyUserGroup 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 5:34 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Cc: ElisabethJohnson
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] siblings become spouses when printing a family group 
sheet

And when will the next update be to fix the family group report? Do we get an 
explanation how it happened in the first place?

"Courtship of Lizzie Andrews"
Read all about it at:
PJWattersBooks.com


On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 7:48:18 AM MST, Brian Kelly  
wrote:


In the current build the FGR is broken. Trying to print one will result
in one of three problems:

a. Error 62 Read past end of File

b. Marriage not found

c. The symptom you have just reported where every second child is listed
as the spouse of the previous child.

All of these problems have been fixed and tested by the Beta test group.
The correction will be included with the next update to Legacy.

Brian Kelly

On 09-Jan.-19 9:30 a.m., Barbara Schwarting via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> I have not seen this problem in the past. When I print a family group
> sheet for a family the 2nd, 4th and 6th children become the spouses of
> the 1st, 3rd and 5th children.  Can someone help me - I would surely
> appreciate it.
>
> 1.  Siblings are clearly listed as children of a husband and wife on a
> family group sheet.
>
> 2. When I press "print" and then  "preview" the 2nd, 4th and 6th
> children show as spouses.
>
> 3. If I go back and attempt to make a change in the original record - I
> receive a message "that they are children of their parents.
>
> Thus, it seems that it is something between the input and the printer.
>
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] siblings become spouses when printing a family group sheet

[CE WOOD]

I am so very, very glad you have no deadlines for producing reports for people. 
The fixes that Legacy promises often take many years to appear, and several 
have not at all.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Jennie Matheson 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 9:40 PM
To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] siblings become spouses when printing a family group 
sheet

Do we really need an explanation of specific cause? I think that it is often 
the case with software undergoing updates/upgrades that fixing one thing can 
cause something else to "break". This is not something unique to Legacy. I used 
to work for a large Australian government department and when software upgrades 
were scheduled to run over the weekend we would dread what we would find 
"broken" the following Monday.

Suffice to say that a fix will be available with the next update.

Jennie

On Thu, 10 Jan. 2019, 12:35 pm ElisabethJohnson via LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> wrote:
And when will the next update be to fix the family group report? Do we get an 
explanation how it happened in the first place?

"Courtship of Lizzie Andrews"
Read all about it at:
PJWattersBooks.com


On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 7:48:18 AM MST, Brian Kelly 
mailto:exma...@gmail.com>> wrote:


In the current build the FGR is broken. Trying to print one will result
in one of three problems:

a. Error 62 Read past end of File

b. Marriage not found

c. The symptom you have just reported where every second child is listed
as the spouse of the previous child.

All of these problems have been fixed and tested by the Beta test group.
The correction will be included with the next update to Legacy.

Brian Kelly

On 09-Jan.-19 9:30 a.m., Barbara Schwarting via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> I have not seen this problem in the past. When I print a family group
> sheet for a family the 2nd, 4th and 6th children become the spouses of
> the 1st, 3rd and 5th children.  Can someone help me - I would surely
> appreciate it.
>
> 1.  Siblings are clearly listed as children of a husband and wife on a
> family group sheet.
>
> 2. When I press "print" and then  "preview" the 2nd, 4th and 6th
> children show as spouses.
>
> 3. If I go back and attempt to make a change in the original record - I
> receive a message "that they are children of their parents.
>
> Thus, it seems that it is something between the input and the printer.
>
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] siblings become spouses when printing a family group sheet

[Jennie Matheson]

Do we really need an explanation of specific cause? I think that it is
often the case with software undergoing updates/upgrades that fixing one
thing can cause something else to "break". This is not something unique to
Legacy. I used to work for a large Australian government department and
when software upgrades were scheduled to run over the weekend we would
dread what we would find "broken" the following Monday.

Suffice to say that a fix will be available with the next update.

Jennie

On Thu, 10 Jan. 2019, 12:35 pm ElisabethJohnson via LegacyUserGroup <
legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com wrote:

> And when will the next update be to fix the family group report? Do we
> get an explanation how it happened in the first place?
>
> "Courtship of Lizzie Andrews"
> Read all about it at:
> PJWattersBooks.com
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 7:48:18 AM MST, Brian Kelly <
> exma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> In the current build the FGR is broken. Trying to print one will result
> in one of three problems:
>
> a. Error 62 Read past end of File
>
> b. Marriage not found
>
> c. The symptom you have just reported where every second child is listed
> as the spouse of the previous child.
>
> All of these problems have been fixed and tested by the Beta test group.
> The correction will be included with the next update to Legacy.
>
> Brian Kelly
>
> On 09-Jan.-19 9:30 a.m., Barbara Schwarting via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> > I have not seen this problem in the past. When I print a family group
> > sheet for a family the 2nd, 4th and 6th children become the spouses of
> > the 1st, 3rd and 5th children.  Can someone help me - I would surely
> > appreciate it.
> >
> > 1.  Siblings are clearly listed as children of a husband and wife on a
> > family group sheet.
> >
> > 2. When I press "print" and then  "preview" the 2nd, 4th and 6th
> > children show as spouses.
> >
> > 3. If I go back and attempt to make a change in the original record - I
> > receive a message "that they are children of their parents.
> >
> > Thus, it seems that it is something between the input and the printer.
> >
> >
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Individual ID '302' was not found

[Pete]

Brian,
Thks for the article.  However, I already did that.  I id try to copy the
tree into a new file and that seemed to eliminate the problem.
I still do not know what the error was or why it started.  At his point, I
will simply thank you and continue with the newly created copy.

Pete Beatty

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of
Brian Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 7:24 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Individual ID '302' was not found

I found this article in the online trouble shooting pages.
http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00565/11/Error-Messages-Probl
ems/Individual-Not-Found.html
Try the fixes suggested there.

Brian Kelly

On 09-Jan.-19 7:05 p.m., Pete wrote:
> It occurs when I start Legacy, before it shows the first record.
> It occurs whenever I select a family member and before it shows the
record.
> I have run 'check repair' and checked 'RIN numbering'.
> I have a single file.
> 
> Pete Beatty
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf
Of
> Brian Kelly
> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 6:47 PM
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Individual ID '302' was not found
> 
> Since you gave us no context on what you were doing when you received
> this error it is impossible to figure out why you may have gotten the
> message let alone how to find the error record which the error message
> says does not exist anyway.
> 
> I do suggest you run File Maintenance > Check Repair since that will fix
> any indexing errors with records.
> 
> Do you work with Multiple files? I have had that kind of error when I
> used a report in one file then tried to use the same report in another
> file which had fewer people. The report settings were for a person ID in
> the original file and that ID did not exist in the smaller file.
> 
> Brian Kelly
> 
> On 09-Jan.-19 6:01 p.m., Pete wrote:
>> I am wondering what the subject msg really means.  I have attempted to
>> locate the record in error and can not find anything.
>> I though it was referring to a RIN.  However, there is no RIN above 285.
> I
>> have manually looked at the Person list and not luck.
>> Anyone have an idea on how to find the error record?
>> Pete
>>
>>
> 

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Re: [LegacyUG] siblings become spouses when printing a family group sheet

[ElisabethJohnson via LegacyUserGroup]

And when will the next update be to fix the family group report? Do we get an 
explanation how it happened in the first place?
"Courtship of Lizzie Andrews"Read all about it at:PJWattersBooks.com 

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 7:48:18 AM MST, Brian Kelly 
 wrote:  
 
 In the current build the FGR is broken. Trying to print one will result 
in one of three problems:

a. Error 62 Read past end of File

b. Marriage not found

c. The symptom you have just reported where every second child is listed 
as the spouse of the previous child.

All of these problems have been fixed and tested by the Beta test group. 
The correction will be included with the next update to Legacy.

Brian Kelly

On 09-Jan.-19 9:30 a.m., Barbara Schwarting via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> I have not seen this problem in the past. When I print a family group 
> sheet for a family the 2nd, 4th and 6th children become the spouses of 
> the 1st, 3rd and 5th children.  Can someone help me - I would surely 
> appreciate it.
> 
> 1.  Siblings are clearly listed as children of a husband and wife on a 
> family group sheet.
> 
> 2. When I press "print" and then  "preview" the 2nd, 4th and 6th 
> children show as spouses.
> 
> 3. If I go back and attempt to make a change in the original record - I 
> receive a message "that they are children of their parents.
> 
> Thus, it seems that it is something between the input and the printer.
> 
> 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Individual ID '302' was not found

[Brian Kelly]

I found this article in the online trouble shooting pages.
http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00565/11/Error-Messages-Problems/Individual-Not-Found.html
Try the fixes suggested there.

Brian Kelly

On 09-Jan.-19 7:05 p.m., Pete wrote:

It occurs when I start Legacy, before it shows the first record.
It occurs whenever I select a family member and before it shows the record.
I have run 'check repair' and checked 'RIN numbering'.
I have a single file.

Pete Beatty

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of
Brian Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 6:47 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Individual ID '302' was not found

Since you gave us no context on what you were doing when you received
this error it is impossible to figure out why you may have gotten the
message let alone how to find the error record which the error message
says does not exist anyway.

I do suggest you run File Maintenance > Check Repair since that will fix
any indexing errors with records.

Do you work with Multiple files? I have had that kind of error when I
used a report in one file then tried to use the same report in another
file which had fewer people. The report settings were for a person ID in
the original file and that ID did not exist in the smaller file.

Brian Kelly

On 09-Jan.-19 6:01 p.m., Pete wrote:

I am wondering what the subject msg really means.  I have attempted to
locate the record in error and can not find anything.
I though it was referring to a RIN.  However, there is no RIN above 285.

I

have manually looked at the Person list and not luck.
Anyone have an idea on how to find the error record?
Pete






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Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!

[Gene Wheeler]

Well said, Chris! We can only hope.

Gene

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:47 PM Chris Hill 
wrote:

> What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled
> system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s
> style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal
> with linked posts.
>
> This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used
> by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available
> software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more
> functionality.
>
> These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your
> users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images.
> Against those posts other users can create additional posts.
>
> Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make
> or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone;
> some can be limited to developers and testers etc..
>
> And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system.
>
> Chris
> (From my Android)
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Re: [LegacyUG] Individual ID '302' was not found

[Pete]

It occurs when I start Legacy, before it shows the first record.  
It occurs whenever I select a family member and before it shows the record.
I have run 'check repair' and checked 'RIN numbering'.
I have a single file.

Pete Beatty

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of
Brian Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 6:47 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Individual ID '302' was not found

Since you gave us no context on what you were doing when you received 
this error it is impossible to figure out why you may have gotten the 
message let alone how to find the error record which the error message 
says does not exist anyway.

I do suggest you run File Maintenance > Check Repair since that will fix 
any indexing errors with records.

Do you work with Multiple files? I have had that kind of error when I 
used a report in one file then tried to use the same report in another 
file which had fewer people. The report settings were for a person ID in 
the original file and that ID did not exist in the smaller file.

Brian Kelly

On 09-Jan.-19 6:01 p.m., Pete wrote:
> I am wondering what the subject msg really means.  I have attempted to
> locate the record in error and can not find anything.
> I though it was referring to a RIN.  However, there is no RIN above 285.
I
> have manually looked at the Person list and not luck.
> Anyone have an idea on how to find the error record?
> Pete
> 
> 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Individual ID '302' was not found

[Brian Kelly]

Since you gave us no context on what you were doing when you received 
this error it is impossible to figure out why you may have gotten the 
message let alone how to find the error record which the error message 
says does not exist anyway.


I do suggest you run File Maintenance > Check Repair since that will fix 
any indexing errors with records.


Do you work with Multiple files? I have had that kind of error when I 
used a report in one file then tried to use the same report in another 
file which had fewer people. The report settings were for a person ID in 
the original file and that ID did not exist in the smaller file.


Brian Kelly

On 09-Jan.-19 6:01 p.m., Pete wrote:

I am wondering what the subject msg really means.  I have attempted to
locate the record in error and can not find anything.
I though it was referring to a RIN.  However, there is no RIN above 285.  I
have manually looked at the Person list and not luck.
Anyone have an idea on how to find the error record?
Pete




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Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!

[Ian Thomas]

While a forum is good for all the reasons stated, I think the restriction on 
pictures/images/attachments to email posts in the current list is a major 
limitation – purportedly because some people have limited 
bandwidth/quota/allowance with their internet contract.
I can’t believe that is a real problem with more than a handful of people.

Perhaps some of those (very few, I would think) do have Microsoft Outlook or 
other mail software, in which it is possible to configure so that attachments 
do NOT automatically download.
I think it is a ridiculous requested restriction – the occasional picture saves 
many words and misunderstandings.

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Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!

[Reg Sherlock via LegacyUserGroup]

Hello Chris, 

Please forgive me but did I miss a notification stating that ownership of the 
programme, “Legacy (product of Millenia)” had reverted from “My Heritage” back 
to ownership and control of “Millenia” ?.

If not perhaps your remark/s may be better directed to My Heritage as a 
suggestion.

Yours in research & SHARING

Reg SHERLOCK

(no I am not shouting my surname just how to write it.)


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2019 8:45 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!

What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - 
HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email 
mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked 
posts.

This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by 
game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software 
to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality. 

These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users 
can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those 
posts other users can create additional posts.

Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or 
read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can 
be limited to developers and testers etc..

And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system.

Chris
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[LegacyUG] Individual ID '302' was not found

[Pete]

I am wondering what the subject msg really means.  I have attempted to
locate the record in error and can not find anything.
I though it was referring to a RIN.  However, there is no RIN above 285.  I
have manually looked at the Person list and not luck.
Anyone have an idea on how to find the error record?
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[LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!

[Chris Hill]

What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled
system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s
style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal
with linked posts.

This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used
by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available
software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more
functionality.

These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your
users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images.
Against those posts other users can create additional posts.

Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make
or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone;
some can be limited to developers and testers etc..

And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system.

Chris
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Sherry H]

Thanks Jennie!

Sadly, I know people who will not communicate outside of FB. My
step-daughter is one and she has so many "friends" it's hard to wade
through everything! Oh well...

S.

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 2:22 PM Jennie Matheson  wrote:
>
> HI Sherry,
>
> Exactly how I interpreted your "shouting" - stressing your message. I have 
> been "dragged, yelling and screaming" to Facebook for other reasons but will 
> not use it for Legacy information. I know this means I may miss out on some 
> information, but that is my decision and I'm not going to complain about it. 
> You did however, make some valid points in your original email.
>
> Jennie

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Jennie Matheson]

HI Sherry,

Exactly how I interpreted your "shouting" - stressing your message. I have
been "dragged, yelling and screaming" to Facebook for other reasons but
will not use it for Legacy information. I know this means I may miss out on
some information, but that is my decision and I'm not going to complain
about it. You did however, make some valid points in your original email.

Jennie

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 1:57 AM Sherry H  wrote:

> Carrie, Do you have children? Sometimes, after saying the same thing 2
> or 3 times, it's easy to get irritated with them and you need to speak
> louder (call it yelling if you wish, but I had no way of emphasizing
> my words here other than in all caps).
>
> The people I responded to were NOT (not yelling. just emphasizing)
> reading what I was saying and I was getting upset having to write it
> so many times because of the difficulty of doing email on this
> particular device.
>
> That's the hard part with written communication. Many
> misunderstandings as to intent.  (BTW, you just shouted as well!!!)
>
> S.
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 12:15 AM Carrie Pillow 
> wrote:
> >
> > I also don’t think its hard to be polite, watch the tone of messages, if
> you want people to go to the effort of posting in 2 places.
> >
> > There is also no need to ‘SHOUT in these messages, Manners go a lot
> further.
> >
> > Carrie
> >
> >
> >
> > From: LegacyUserGroup  On
> Behalf Of Peter Matthews
> > Sent: 09 January 2019 03:01
> > To: Legacy User Group 
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook
> >
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> > I'm sure we all do very much appreciate the invariably timely and
> helpful responses from Cathy and Michele to posted problems on this list.
> >
> > However I think it would also solve some of the angst if any Legacy
> announcements could also be posted to this list. It can't be that hard. We
> don't need all the Facebook posts, only any "announcements", whether formal
> or not. "Legacy News" is not enough.
> >
> > Yes, FB might have some advantages over this list, but the reality is
> that a significant proportion of faithful Legacy customers just do not want
> to join Facebook. Please, do not "leave us in the dust".
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > At 17:17 08-01-19 -0800, Sherry H wrote:
> >
> > PLEASE!!
> >
> > REREAD what I wrote. I'm not expecting whole conversations from FB to
> > be posted here.
> >
> > If a staff member posts and announcement, such as build release, new
> > webinar, reduced rates for MyHeritage or upgrade prices for Legacy or
> > Legacy products = THOSE should be posted on the LUG list. Tips would
> > also be nice. How-to only if someone on the LUG list asks.
> >
> > How hard is that to understand?
> >
> > FB Notifications are IMPOSSIBLE. I've turned them off in most of the
> > groups I am a member of (I have no "Friends" on FB as they're insane
> > as well - I've seen some of the threads and no way do I have the time
> > or energy for that nonsense!) and have few showing only in FB. I will
> > not get them by text or email. Even if they're not Legacy posts.
> >
> > FB is so changeable that FB Purity has a hard time keeping up. Plus it
> > seems to slow FB down, at least for me.
> >
> > I do subscribe to the LUG email. However, it seems that FB is quicker
> > for notifications as those are posted right away and the LUG email is
> > generally quite behind.
> >
> >
> > S.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Cathy Pinner  wrote:
> > >
> > > The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list
> is
> > > that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet
> access.
> > >
> > > Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally
> > > unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the
> > > originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often
> > > tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the
> > > knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help
> > > with useful stuff.
> > >
> > > There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have
> > > them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook
> > > and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook
> "toolbar".
> > >
> > > RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if
> > > you want them, make sure you get Legacy News by email.
> > > Here is where you can subscribe.
> https://legacyfamilytree.com/Subscribe.asp
> > >
> > > As Michele pointed out you can join Facebook and participate in Groups
> > > and not engage in any of the Friend stuff. I only sometimes look at my
> > > personal newsfeed. I rarely if ever post on my own page. I use F.B.
> > > Purity to get rid of ads and to control the order of the Notifications
> > > so they are time ordered rather than what FB thinks I should see first.
> > >
> > > Cathy
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Re: [LegacyUG] DMARC

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[LegacyUG] About them caps

[Ian Macaulay]

Some of us are very old and hard of hearing.  So often the caps are
required to get the message in.

Its is actually quite civil on this list.  A few grunts and groans don't
really hurt.
BTW Legacy is Old as well,  Not as old as me, but old enough to have some
minor quirks.
Lets hope we find a good doctor for it.

Ian

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[CE WOOD]

Be aware that many people still use plain text when emailing. Their only option 
is to use caps for emphasis.

Only HTML allows bolding, underlining, etc. For many years, this list did not 
allow HTML. Only after HTML became the choice of most emailers were capital 
letters classified as shouting.


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Carrie Pillow 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 12:08 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook


I also don’t think its hard to be polite, watch the tone of messages, if you 
want people to go to the effort of posting in 2 places.



There is also no need to ‘SHOUT in these messages, Manners go a lot further.



Carrie



From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Peter Matthews
Sent: 09 January 2019 03:01
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook



I agree.

I'm sure we all do very much appreciate the invariably timely and helpful 
responses from Cathy and Michele to posted problems on this list.

However I think it would also solve some of the angst if any Legacy 
announcements could also be posted to this list. It can't be that hard. We 
don't need all the Facebook posts, only any "announcements", whether formal or 
not. "Legacy News" is not enough.

Yes, FB might have some advantages over this list, but the reality is that a 
significant proportion of faithful Legacy customers just do not want to join 
Facebook. Please, do not "leave us in the dust".

Peter

At 17:17 08-01-19 -0800, Sherry H wrote:


PLEASE!!

REREAD what I wrote. I'm not expecting whole conversations from FB to
be posted here.

If a staff member posts and announcement, such as build release, new
webinar, reduced rates for MyHeritage or upgrade prices for Legacy or
Legacy products = THOSE should be posted on the LUG list. Tips would
also be nice. How-to only if someone on the LUG list asks.

How hard is that to understand?

FB Notifications are IMPOSSIBLE. I've turned them off in most of the
groups I am a member of (I have no "Friends" on FB as they're insane
as well - I've seen some of the threads and no way do I have the time
or energy for that nonsense!) and have few showing only in FB. I will
not get them by text or email. Even if they're not Legacy posts.

FB is so changeable that FB Purity has a hard time keeping up. Plus it
seems to slow FB down, at least for me.

I do subscribe to the LUG email. However, it seems that FB is quicker
for notifications as those are posted right away and the LUG email is
generally quite behind.


S.



On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Cathy Pinner 
mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list is
> that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet access.
>
> Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally
> unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the
> originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often
> tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the
> knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help
> with useful stuff.
>
> There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have
> them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook
> and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook "toolbar".
>
> RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if
> you want them, make sure you get Legacy News by email.
> Here is where you can subscribe. 
> https://legacyfamilytree.com/Subscribe.asp
>
> As Michele pointed out you can join Facebook and participate in Groups
> and not engage in any of the Friend stuff. I only sometimes look at my
> personal newsfeed. I rarely if ever post on my own page. I use F.B.
> Purity to get rid of ads and to control the order of the Notifications
> so they are time ordered rather than what FB thinks I should see first.
>
> Cathy
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Sherry H]

Carrie, Do you have children? Sometimes, after saying the same thing 2
or 3 times, it's easy to get irritated with them and you need to speak
louder (call it yelling if you wish, but I had no way of emphasizing
my words here other than in all caps).

The people I responded to were NOT (not yelling. just emphasizing)
reading what I was saying and I was getting upset having to write it
so many times because of the difficulty of doing email on this
particular device.

That's the hard part with written communication. Many
misunderstandings as to intent.  (BTW, you just shouted as well!!!)

S.

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 12:15 AM Carrie Pillow  wrote:
>
> I also don’t think its hard to be polite, watch the tone of messages, if you 
> want people to go to the effort of posting in 2 places.
>
> There is also no need to ‘SHOUT in these messages, Manners go a lot further.
>
> Carrie
>
>
>
> From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
> Peter Matthews
> Sent: 09 January 2019 03:01
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook
>
>
> I agree.
>
> I'm sure we all do very much appreciate the invariably timely and helpful 
> responses from Cathy and Michele to posted problems on this list.
>
> However I think it would also solve some of the angst if any Legacy 
> announcements could also be posted to this list. It can't be that hard. We 
> don't need all the Facebook posts, only any "announcements", whether formal 
> or not. "Legacy News" is not enough.
>
> Yes, FB might have some advantages over this list, but the reality is that a 
> significant proportion of faithful Legacy customers just do not want to join 
> Facebook. Please, do not "leave us in the dust".
>
> Peter
>
> At 17:17 08-01-19 -0800, Sherry H wrote:
>
> PLEASE!!
>
> REREAD what I wrote. I'm not expecting whole conversations from FB to
> be posted here.
>
> If a staff member posts and announcement, such as build release, new
> webinar, reduced rates for MyHeritage or upgrade prices for Legacy or
> Legacy products = THOSE should be posted on the LUG list. Tips would
> also be nice. How-to only if someone on the LUG list asks.
>
> How hard is that to understand?
>
> FB Notifications are IMPOSSIBLE. I've turned them off in most of the
> groups I am a member of (I have no "Friends" on FB as they're insane
> as well - I've seen some of the threads and no way do I have the time
> or energy for that nonsense!) and have few showing only in FB. I will
> not get them by text or email. Even if they're not Legacy posts.
>
> FB is so changeable that FB Purity has a hard time keeping up. Plus it
> seems to slow FB down, at least for me.
>
> I do subscribe to the LUG email. However, it seems that FB is quicker
> for notifications as those are posted right away and the LUG email is
> generally quite behind.
>
>
> S.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Cathy Pinner  wrote:
> >
> > The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list is
> > that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet access.
> >
> > Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally
> > unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the
> > originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often
> > tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the
> > knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help
> > with useful stuff.
> >
> > There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have
> > them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook
> > and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook "toolbar".
> >
> > RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if
> > you want them, make sure you get Legacy News by email.
> > Here is where you can subscribe. https://legacyfamilytree.com/Subscribe.asp
> >
> > As Michele pointed out you can join Facebook and participate in Groups
> > and not engage in any of the Friend stuff. I only sometimes look at my
> > personal newsfeed. I rarely if ever post on my own page. I use F.B.
> > Purity to get rid of ads and to control the order of the Notifications
> > so they are time ordered rather than what FB thinks I should see first.
> >
> > Cathy

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Re: [LegacyUG] siblings become spouses when printing a family group sheet

[Brian Kelly]

In the current build the FGR is broken. Trying to print one will result 
in one of three problems:


a. Error 62 Read past end of File

b. Marriage not found

c. The symptom you have just reported where every second child is listed 
as the spouse of the previous child.


All of these problems have been fixed and tested by the Beta test group. 
The correction will be included with the next update to Legacy.


Brian Kelly

On 09-Jan.-19 9:30 a.m., Barbara Schwarting via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
I have not seen this problem in the past. When I print a family group 
sheet for a family the 2nd, 4th and 6th children become the spouses of 
the 1st, 3rd and 5th children.  Can someone help me - I would surely 
appreciate it.


1.  Siblings are clearly listed as children of a husband and wife on a 
family group sheet.


2. When I press "print" and then  "preview" the 2nd, 4th and 6th 
children show as spouses.


3. If I go back and attempt to make a change in the original record - I 
receive a message "that they are children of their parents.


Thus, it seems that it is something between the input and the printer.




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[LegacyUG] siblings become spouses when printing a family group sheet

[Barbara Schwarting via LegacyUserGroup]

I have not seen this problem in the past. When I print a family group 
sheet for a family the 2nd, 4th and 6th children become the spouses of 
the 1st, 3rd and 5th children.  Can someone help me - I would surely 
appreciate it.


1.  Siblings are clearly listed as children of a husband and wife on a 
family group sheet.


2. When I press "print" and then  "preview" the 2nd, 4th and 6th 
children show as spouses.


3. If I go back and attempt to make a change in the original record - I 
receive a message "that they are children of their parents.


Thus, it seems that it is something between the input and the printer.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Carrie Pillow]

I also don't think its hard to be polite, watch the tone of messages, if you 
want people to go to the effort of posting in 2 places.

There is also no need to 'SHOUT in these messages, Manners go a lot further.

Carrie

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Peter Matthews
Sent: 09 January 2019 03:01
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook


I agree.

I'm sure we all do very much appreciate the invariably timely and helpful 
responses from Cathy and Michele to posted problems on this list.

However I think it would also solve some of the angst if any Legacy 
announcements could also be posted to this list. It can't be that hard. We 
don't need all the Facebook posts, only any "announcements", whether formal or 
not. "Legacy News" is not enough.

Yes, FB might have some advantages over this list, but the reality is that a 
significant proportion of faithful Legacy customers just do not want to join 
Facebook. Please, do not "leave us in the dust".

Peter

At 17:17 08-01-19 -0800, Sherry H wrote:

PLEASE!!

REREAD what I wrote. I'm not expecting whole conversations from FB to
be posted here.

If a staff member posts and announcement, such as build release, new
webinar, reduced rates for MyHeritage or upgrade prices for Legacy or
Legacy products = THOSE should be posted on the LUG list. Tips would
also be nice. How-to only if someone on the LUG list asks.

How hard is that to understand?

FB Notifications are IMPOSSIBLE. I've turned them off in most of the
groups I am a member of (I have no "Friends" on FB as they're insane
as well - I've seen some of the threads and no way do I have the time
or energy for that nonsense!) and have few showing only in FB. I will
not get them by text or email. Even if they're not Legacy posts.

FB is so changeable that FB Purity has a hard time keeping up. Plus it
seems to slow FB down, at least for me.

I do subscribe to the LUG email. However, it seems that FB is quicker
for notifications as those are posted right away and the LUG email is
generally quite behind.


S.



On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Cathy Pinner 
mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list is
> that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet access.
>
> Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally
> unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the
> originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often
> tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the
> knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help
> with useful stuff.
>
> There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have
> them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook
> and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook "toolbar".
>
> RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if
> you want them, make sure you get Legacy News by email.
> Here is where you can subscribe. 
> https://legacyfamilytree.com/Subscribe.asp
>
> As Michele pointed out you can join Facebook and participate in Groups
> and not engage in any of the Friend stuff. I only sometimes look at my
> personal newsfeed. I rarely if ever post on my own page. I use F.B.
> Purity to get rid of ads and to control the order of the Notifications
> so they are time ordered rather than what FB thinks I should see first.
>
> Cathy
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