Re: [LegacyUG] Hinting for FamilySearch Individuals/content

[Cathy Pinner]

B Akin,

The FamilySearch hints have always only been available for people with a 
FS ID. FamilySearch hints record hints to the FamilySearch tree and 
those hints are sent on via the Hinting API. Whether or not they are 
accepted or rejected or whatever terms FS uses is not whether you've 
accepted them - maybe the term is confirmed - but whether someone using 
the FS tree has.


When you use the Legacy FamilySearch Integration module, any time you 
confirm that the FS tree person found is your person, the FS ID is added 
to your person in Legacy. That's the only thing transferred. You have 
total control over other data both ways.


If you have used Auto Match in LFS you'll have yellow arrows. You need 
to check each one and unlink if it's found the wrong person. Some people 
find it highly accurate and others, like me, highly inaccurate. It 
depends on your family and perhaps where you live in the world. If you 
go person by person you may have a better success rate - and you may as 
well as you should check the auto matched people.
Or you may want to search on the website if it doesn't auto find the 
match and then enter the found FS ID in Legacy. There have been some 
recent issues with the matching via LFS.
I only attempt to link a group at a time and use the filters to get just 
the ancestors or descendants of someone using the Edit button in the 
Left pane. When you match someone you can use the chain links to link 
their surrounding relatives to their equivalent in the FS tree. They 
show blue when already linked or just a grey shadow when not.


No one should be duplicated in the FamilySearch tree but in reality 
there are heaps of duplicates - many created by FS themselves as they 
added things like Parish Register transcriptions into the tree. This 
means that if someone had 12 children baptised and were themselves 
baptised and married, they are in the tree 14 times. Those 14 need to be 
merged by someone - and the spouse also probably has at least 14 
duplicates that need to be merged and each child is duplicated multiple 
times ... It's a big job that I've only tackled for some of my direct 
ancestors. You can merge in LFS though I find it easier to merge on the 
website - but it still takes hours. I screenshot or write down the FS ID 
of each child at least as I have too often found I've orphaned children 
and they need to be reconnected.  The FamilySearch help has guidance on 
how to do all this.  Merging duplicates is far easier than undoing 
incorrectly merged and linked people. I did have a win this week. I 
messaged someone around Christmas as I found they had my Matilda Harris 
born in London, marrying in Ohio in 1850, having a child in Canada in 
1851 whereas I knew she was single in London in the 1851 census and 
still single in London in 1871. They've sorted it out.


So no you don't enter more than one person or more than one FS ID in 
Legacy. You do the work to merge the duplicate instances in the FS tree. 
If you are not sure they are duplicates, then obviously you don't merge. 
In that case you may want to enter the possible duplicate as a separate 
person in Legacy in order to record your research to find out.


You can see in Legacy who has a FS ID entered by going to Search > Find 
> Detailed Search and doing this search.

Individual > FamilySearch ID > not equal to > 
OR by going to Legacy FamilySearch and using the filters in the left 
pane to choose just those linked to FS.


I think your different numbers suggest that some people were already 
linked and the auto-matching added another group.


Note only you can see yourself on FamilySearch. Living people are only 
visible to the person who added them so Legacy FamilySearch can't match 
any living people unless you're the one who added them perhaps. I'm the 
only living person I've added and I can't recall how my FS ID was 
entered into Legacy.


Cathy

B Akin wrote:


Hello,   I spotted something that is "new to me" (maybe forgotten?? )
in Cathy's response on a separate issue (Cathy's abbreviated reply
below). My specific question relates to this comment.  "FamilySearch
hints only work if you have the FamilySearch ID entered for the person
concerned. FS hints to the FS tree and passes on those hints."
   I had noted for quite a while that I was not getting any
FamilySearch Hints.(Oops on my part, after viewing Customize 8.13 -
I've had FS turned off for some time and obviously forgot. Now On and
refreshing.) I seem to remember that I was getting hints for FS when
hinting was first introduced. Wasn't this hinting originally on
"records" and not the later "Tree"? But the above reply seems to imply
that I now have to enter all FamilySearch ID's into Legacy for the
hinting of FamilySearch to work properly.
   1) Is this correct? (After reading "Help" for Hinting for
FamilySearch - clearly says needs FS ID. ) So, Yes, need FS ID
answering my own question.
      I guess it doesn't really matter when or how this happened. I

[LegacyUG] Hinting for FamilySearch Individuals/content

[B Akin]

Hello,   I spotted something that is "new to me" (maybe forgotten?? ) in 
Cathy's response on a separate issue (Cathy's abbreviated reply below). 
My specific question relates to this comment.  "FamilySearch hints only 
work if you have the FamilySearch ID entered for the person concerned. 
FS hints to the FS tree and passes on those hints."
   I had noted for quite a while that I was not getting any 
FamilySearch Hints.(Oops on my part, after viewing Customize 8.13 - I've 
had FS turned off for some time and obviously forgot. Now On and 
refreshing.) I seem to remember that I was getting hints for FS when 
hinting was first introduced. Wasn't this hinting originally on 
"records" and not the later "Tree"? But the above reply seems to imply 
that I now have to enter all FamilySearch ID's into Legacy for the 
hinting of FamilySearch to work properly.
   1) Is this correct? (After reading "Help" for Hinting for 
FamilySearch - clearly says needs FS ID. ) So, Yes, need FS ID answering 
my own question.
      I guess it doesn't really matter when or how this happened. I 
guess I have to deal with it.
   2) Follow up question... Is there a way to automatically enter the 
FamilySearch ID into the database? If so, pros and cons of doing 
automatically? Going one by one would be very tedious.
Have been looking at FS-Legacy Link screen and I do not see a "data 
exchange" arrow for the FS ID.
   2.1) What about FS duplicates? Can I enter two FS ID's into Legacy - 
maybe separated by a comma??? Would guess more likely answer is to 
create duplicate into Legacy - not my desired path. I have, a couple of 
times, corrected FS "tree" records - but learning curve is way, way too 
steep - too much of my time.
 I've used the FamilySearch-Legacy link and done matching. But in 
all honesty, never bothered to enter the FS ID number into Legacy on a 
regular basis - some there, vast majority not entered. I do not do 
source data exchanges between FS and Legacy - by choice.
   Since I was trying to answer my own questions, I "auto-matched" my 
Legacy people with FS.  At the end, there is a summary screen of the 
auto-match process
 Individuals in Filtered List:  2,040    My people in Legacy 
database. (794 shown as living)
 Individuals not linked to FS:  1,741  What does this mean? No 
FS ID in my Legacy or not enough detail in my

Legacy DB to match with FS Tree  or Not in FS Tree at all or something else?
If 1741 not in FS Tree - then hinting not very helpful, since FS is my 
primary data

"record" source(free) generating my Legacy database in the first place.
Difference - 299 - implied linked, but yet, below, only shows 104 matched.
   is 
there a difference between linked and matched?


 Auto Matching Completed:  104 matched
   1,741 processed.
    The number matched seems very low. Is this typical?
    Also, I am in my Legacy DB (all details) and in the FS 
Tree (forced to add myself to "hide" a living relative who someone had 
marked as deceased - Only way per FS). But, I did not auto-match. What 
does auto-match look at to generate a match? In FS tree, me(name, no 
data) linked to mother(name, birth date and place only, father not 
shown), to grand-parents would be sufficient to match, but yet, no 
auto-match.

(Sorry, getting into a second question here...)

   I look forward to the list's guidance.
Thanks, B.





-- Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: [LegacyUG] Hints - FindMyPast - "Invalid cookie header"
Date:   Fri, 8 Oct 2021 21:16:38 +0800
From:   Cathy Pinner 
Reply-To:   Legacy User Group 
To: Legacy User Group 



Ian,

FindMyPast hints are working though there is sometimes a problem if you 
try to access them when they've expired. The dots aren't updated as 
quickly on the Name List etc. Hints are best accessed from Family View 
to avoid this.
I'd clear your browser cache to see if that removes the error you're 
getting if that's not the issue.


There is a known problem with MyHeritage hints. They're currently not 
working at all.


FamilySearch hints only work if you have the FamilySearch ID entered for 
the person concerned. FS hints to the FS tree and passes on those hints.


I find FMP hints helpful. I don't take much notice of others.
The search isn't done after you click the orange ball but before. The 
Hints window opens and you click the pane to access the hint results in 
your browser.


If you want to set up a search from Legacy use Search > Internet Search 
for the relevant website. These cover far more than the 4 hinting sites, 
one of which is only useful for US researchers.


Cathy-- 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Software

[Don Sampson]

Thank you Linda, I agree with all that you said. If you think this is bad, you 
should join the "RootsMagic 8 " groups on Facebook. WOW !!!

Don


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Jennie Matheson 
Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 12:10 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Software

Well said Linda. Bottom line - if Legacy doesn't suit your needs find another 
program that does, rather than complaining endlessly!!

Jennie

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 12:54 AM Linda Greethurst 
mailto:llg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ok people, enough of your complaining. Send your needs to support, request, or 
wherever it should go.  The purpose of this mailing list is to help others 
learn to USE legacy as it is.  This used to be a very active list with lots of 
"how do I..." and I learned a lot about the program from this list.  I am not a 
fan of social media and do not like Facebook.  And that is my choice.

For me, and I would guess the majority of the users, Legacy does exactly what 
they want; and perhaps even more, because they haven't yet learned all the 
capabilities of the program.  It is a wonderful genealogy database program,and 
it is reasonably priced.  It comes in , what?, about 35 languages and I'm sorry 
if your ancestors come from one of those area with the unique character 
languages.  There are other options for you - use those programs and then 
complain to those companies about their inadequacies.

Most of us don't want/need a program that prints great, great aunt Mary 
Elizabeth's spouse's parents and all his siblings and their children in 
reports.  Please go to the trees online that are trying to get the universe all 
in one place. Or, open Word in the keyboard language of choice and write your 
own reports.  You could even use a typewriter with the manual special language 
keys used like for physics or geometry equations back in the 50's and 60's.

I am not a name and BMD collector.  I do family history, and Legacy allows me 
to fill in all those events of a person's life; a place to keep the stories; 
the sourcing options are extensive.  I can add all kinds of pictures and 
videos. I love the chronology report to see where I'm still needing to do 
research on a person.  It's perfect for getting to know your ancestors.  I even 
use the Research Guidance!

What I like best about Legacy is:  I still get to do the thinking - there are 
so many options on every screen.  The program and computer do not make those 
decisions for me. I am responsible for the data, I am responsible for the 
backups, how many, and where they are.

 So, for the sake of the majority of Legacy users, please, stop this constant 
whining.

Linda

On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:50 PM Jan Hornick 
mailto:j...@genjan.org>> wrote:

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