Re: [LegacyUG] About Legacy9

[Philip Solida]

So as I see it David, your concerns concentrate around backward
compatibility  (ability to save in a old format as well as the new) as much
for sharing purposes as any other reason... and yes I can add my voice to
that as well... while I went to 9, as we age and ate forced over to fixed
incomes, other budget items become more pressing than new software
versions... which also means we squeeze out our largest and best sources of
information as they age and their computer systems and programs become
dinosaurs. A interesting problem. Perhaps a suggestion to programs to
support backward compatibility as well as forward is in order... a'la
Microsoft Word which allows you to save in the several old formats as well
as new. We can export to gedcom and paf, as well as import them, so why not
old legacy formats as well as the new? Of corse you could export a gedcom
to those with older file formats for them to import  but why not be able to
save and import from the old legacy formats as well as the new.

On Apr 21, 2017 8:44 AM, "David Picken"  wrote:

> Cathy,
>
> Thanks for responding.
>
> I have no doubt that Legacy9 will be an improvement, but that doesn’t
> necessarily mean that everyone needs to have it. It is not free-of-charge,
> after all.
>
> But your question is not really fair, because if I knew the details I
> probably wouldn’t need to ask the general question.
>
> As I see it, the fact about the new file format is NOT in the advertising
> material, I only picked it up in the user group. That makes me suspicious,
> to put it simply.
> I just can’t know what else might be in there that they haven’t talked
> about openly.
> And I don’t want to get nasty surprises after using Legacy9 for a couple
> of days or weeks.
>
> The first questions to the Legacy folks would of course be:
>
>- Are you going to continue supporting Legacy8 for those who don’t
>really see the need for Legacy9 in their daily activiities?
>- Is there a termination date set for such support?
>
> And I do have a couple of questions specifically about the format change.
> Maybe you or someone else in the group can answer these:
>
>- Will Legacy9 files have a different extension so that we can
>identify them immediately?
>- If I don’t use new features such as hashtagging, will the new file
>stay compatible to Legacy8?
>- Can I export from Legacy9 in Legacy8 format (in order to be able to
>send files to people who haven’t changed)?
>
> Again, thanks for writing.
> Cheers, David
>
>
>
> Am 20170421 um 10:15 schrieb Cathy Pinner :
>
> David,
>
> What specifically do you need to know about?
> The database has changed to accommodate new features like Hashtags. That's
> why you can't use a Legacy 9 database in Legacy 8.
> But the format on screen for old data hasn't changed.
>
> There have been a few tweaks to old features.
> eg in Detailed Search, the Where to look list is now alphabetical than in
> some supposed logical order as it had grown so much the logic was lost.
> eg you can now opt to see Ancestor Colours on Index View and Name List
>
> The major differences are the new features which are advertised on the web
> pages. I'm not sure what more you want.
> I think Same-Sex marriage is missing from Geoff's video on new features.
> Can't think of anything else.
>
> Cathy
> Legacy tester
>
> David Picken wrote:
>
>
> Is there a list of the major differences be tween Legacy8 and Legacy9
> somewhere?
>
> I mean an honest and complete list that tells me about changing data
> formats and things I need to be aware of, not just the advertising stuff on
> the home page!
>
> Thanks, David
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] About Legacy9

[Philip Solida]

So as I see it David, your concerns concentrate around backward
compatibility  (ability to save in a old format as well as the new) as much
for sharing purposes as any other reason... and yes I can add my voice to
that as well... while I went to 9, as we age and ate forced over to fixed
incomes, other budget items become more pressing than new software
versions... which also means we squeeze out our largest and best sources of
information as they age and their computer systems and programs become
dinosaurs. A interesting problem. Perhaps a suggestion to programs to
support backward compatibility as well as forward is in order... a'la
Microsoft Word which allows you to save in the several old formats as well
as new. We can export to gedcom and paf, as well as import them, so why not
old legacy formats as well as the new? Of corse you could export a gedcom
to those with older file formats for them to import  but why not be able to
save and import from the old legacy formats as well as the new.

On Apr 21, 2017 8:44 AM, "David Picken"  wrote:

Cathy,

Thanks for responding.

I have no doubt that Legacy9 will be an improvement, but that doesn’t
necessarily mean that everyone needs to have it. It is not free-of-charge,
after all.

But your question is not really fair, because if I knew the details I
probably wouldn’t need to ask the general question.

As I see it, the fact about the new file format is NOT in the advertising
material, I only picked it up in the user group. That makes me suspicious,
to put it simply.
I just can’t know what else might be in there that they haven’t talked
about openly.
And I don’t want to get nasty surprises after using Legacy9 for a couple of
days or weeks.

The first questions to the Legacy folks would of course be:

   - Are you going to continue supporting Legacy8 for those who don’t
   really see the need for Legacy9 in their daily activiities?
   - Is there a termination date set for such support?

And I do have a couple of questions specifically about the format change.
Maybe you or someone else in the group can answer these:

   - Will Legacy9 files have a different extension so that we can identify
   them immediately?
   - If I don’t use new features such as hashtagging, will the new file
   stay compatible to Legacy8?
   - Can I export from Legacy9 in Legacy8 format (in order to be able to
   send files to people who haven’t changed)?

Again, thanks for writing.
Cheers, David



Am 20170421 um 10:15 schrieb Cathy Pinner :

David,

What specifically do you need to know about?
The database has changed to accommodate new features like Hashtags. That's
why you can't use a Legacy 9 database in Legacy 8.
But the format on screen for old data hasn't changed.

There have been a few tweaks to old features.
eg in Detailed Search, the Where to look list is now alphabetical than in
some supposed logical order as it had grown so much the logic was lost.
eg you can now opt to see Ancestor Colours on Index View and Name List

The major differences are the new features which are advertised on the web
pages. I'm not sure what more you want.
I think Same-Sex marriage is missing from Geoff's video on new features.
Can't think of anything else.

Cathy
Legacy tester

David Picken wrote:


Is there a list of the major differences be tween Legacy8 and Legacy9
somewhere?

I mean an honest and complete list that tells me about changing data
formats and things I need to be aware of, not just the advertising stuff on
the home page!

Thanks, David



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Re: [LegacyUG] About Legacy9

[Cathy Pinner]

David,

Support is still supporting people who are using Legacy 4. So yes 
they'll keep supporting people who don't go from 8 to 9.


Database conversions are normal between versions and within versions. 
Any new feature or a tweak to make a field larger requires a database 
conversion.


There's been discussion of how a Legacy 9 file can't be opened in Legacy 
8. It's difficult to communicate to everyone so that everyone hears 
everything that is said. Correction: it's impossible.


Cathy

David Picken wrote:


Cathy,

Thanks for responding.

I have no doubt that Legacy9 will be an improvement, but that doesn’t
necessarily mean that everyone needs to have it. It is not
free-of-charge, after all.

But your question is not really fair, because if I knew the details I
probably wouldn’t need to ask the general question.

As I see it, the fact about the new file format is NOT in the
advertising material, I only picked it up in the user group. That
makes me suspicious, to put it simply.
I just can’t know what else might be in there that they haven’t talked
about openly.
And I don’t want to get nasty surprises after using Legacy9 for a
couple of days or weeks.

The first questions to the Legacy folks would of course be:

* Are you going to continue supporting Legacy8 for those who don’t
really see the need for Legacy9 in their daily activiities?
* Is there a termination date set for such support?

And I do have a couple of questions specifically about the format
change. Maybe you or someone else in the group can answer these:

* Will Legacy9 files have a different extension so that we can
identify them immediately?
* If I don’t use new features such as hashtagging, will the new file
stay compatible to Legacy8?
* Can I export from Legacy9 in Legacy8 format (in order to be able
to send files to people who haven’t changed)?

Again, thanks for writing.
Cheers, David



Am 20170421 um 10:15 schrieb Cathy Pinner >:

David,

What specifically do you need to know about?
The database has changed to accommodate new features like Hashtags.
That's why you can't use a Legacy 9 database in Legacy 8.
But the format on screen for old data hasn't changed.

There have been a few tweaks to old features.
eg in Detailed Search, the Where to look list is now alphabetical than
in some supposed logical order as it had grown so much the logic was lost.
eg you can now opt to see Ancestor Colours on Index View and Name List

The major differences are the new features which are advertised on the
web pages. I'm not sure what more you want.
I think Same-Sex marriage is missing from Geoff's video on new
features. Can't think of anything else.

Cathy
Legacy tester

David Picken wrote:



Is there a list of the major differences be tween Legacy8 and Legacy9
somewhere?

I mean an honest and complete list that tells me about changing data
formats and things I need to be aware of, not just the advertising
stuff on the home page!

Thanks, David





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Re: [LegacyUG] About Legacy9

[David Picken]

Cathy,

Thanks for responding.

I have no doubt that Legacy9 will be an improvement, but that doesn’t 
necessarily mean that everyone needs to have it. It is not free-of-charge, 
after all.

But your question is not really fair, because if I knew the details I probably 
wouldn’t need to ask the general question.

As I see it, the fact about the new file format is NOT in the advertising 
material, I only picked it up in the user group. That makes me suspicious, to 
put it simply.
I just can’t know what else might be in there that they haven’t talked about 
openly.
And I don’t want to get nasty surprises after using Legacy9 for a couple of 
days or weeks.

The first questions to the Legacy folks would of course be:
Are you going to continue supporting Legacy8 for those who don’t really see the 
need for Legacy9 in their daily activiities?
Is there a termination date set for such support?
And I do have a couple of questions specifically about the format change. Maybe 
you or someone else in the group can answer these:
Will Legacy9 files have a different extension so that we can identify them 
immediately?
If I don’t use new features such as hashtagging, will the new file stay 
compatible to Legacy8?
Can I export from Legacy9 in Legacy8 format (in order to be able to send files 
to people who haven’t changed)?
Again, thanks for writing.
Cheers, David



Am 20170421 um 10:15 schrieb Cathy Pinner :

David,

What specifically do you need to know about?
The database has changed to accommodate new features like Hashtags. That's why 
you can't use a Legacy 9 database in Legacy 8.
But the format on screen for old data hasn't changed.

There have been a few tweaks to old features.
eg in Detailed Search, the Where to look list is now alphabetical than in some 
supposed logical order as it had grown so much the logic was lost.
eg you can now opt to see Ancestor Colours on Index View and Name List

The major differences are the new features which are advertised on the web 
pages. I'm not sure what more you want.
I think Same-Sex marriage is missing from Geoff's video on new features. Can't 
think of anything else.

Cathy
Legacy tester

David Picken wrote:
> 
> Is there a list of the major differences be tween Legacy8 and Legacy9 
> somewhere?
> 
> I mean an honest and complete list that tells me about changing data formats 
> and things I need to be aware of, not just the advertising stuff on the home 
> page!
> 
> Thanks, David
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] About Legacy9

[Cathy Pinner]

David,

What specifically do you need to know about?
The database has changed to accommodate new features like Hashtags. 
That's why you can't use a Legacy 9 database in Legacy 8.

But the format on screen for old data hasn't changed.

There have been a few tweaks to old features.
eg in Detailed Search, the Where to look list is now alphabetical than 
in some supposed logical order as it had grown so much the logic was lost.

eg you can now opt to see Ancestor Colours on Index View and Name List

The major differences are the new features which are advertised on the 
web pages. I'm not sure what more you want.
I think Same-Sex marriage is missing from Geoff's video on new features. 
Can't think of anything else.


Cathy
Legacy tester

David Picken wrote:


Is there a list of the major differences between Legacy8 and Legacy9 
somewhere?


I mean an honest and complete list that tells me about changing data 
formats and things I need to be aware of, not just the advertising 
stuff on the home page!


Thanks, David



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Re: [LegacyUG] About Legacy9

[Cathy Pinner]

David,

You cannot use a Legacy 9 file in Legacy 8. Legacy 8 files are converted 
for use in Legacy 9 so if there is any chance that you might want to 
revert to 8, you need good backups.


Legacy 8 backups will restore in Legacy 9 as will Legacy 2,3,4,5,6,7, 
and 7.5 backups. I know as I've tested almost all of those. I couldn't 
find a Legacy 4 backup for some reason but I haven't mined all my 
backups ;)


Note Legacy Support is still supporting people using earlier versions of 
Legacy and have copies of many versions available for testing and 
support. Legacy 4 was the last one I heard about.


So I guess the question is "in what way are you supporting "casual" users?"

Cathy
Legacy tester

David Picken wrote:


Thank you, Bob, for the encouraging report.

I thought I had read somewhere in this group that Legacy 9 files would 
not be compatible with Legacy 8.

Is that not the case, then?

If that turns out to be true, I see problems coming up when supporting 
„casual“ users of Legacy, who will not be keen to purchase Legacy 9.


Cheers, David



Am 20170420 um 22:27 schrieb Bob Austen<rgaus...@telus.net>:

Hi David,

I've only been using v9 for a couple of days. There doesn't seem to be a
significant change in v9 other than the advertized items - which I am
beginning to like. However I have noticed there are also some bugs in V8
that are now fixed in v9. It also seems to load quicker but that is
speculative as mine open very quickly anyway. I'm thinking they may have
streamlined some of the code.

Thankfully they haven't changed the 'look and feel' of Legacy. Mine
upgraded with 99% of the old settings.

I'm pleased with the upgrade.

Bob

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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:15 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] About Legacy9

Is there a list of the major differences between Legacy8 and Legacy9
somewhere?

I mean an honest and complete list that tells me about changing data 
formats
and things I need to be aware of, not just the advertising stuff on 
the home

page!

Thanks, David



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Re: [LegacyUG] About Legacy9

[David Picken]

Thank you, Bob, for the encouraging report.

I thought I had read somewhere in this group that Legacy 9 files would not be 
compatible with Legacy 8.
Is that not the case, then?

If that turns out to be true, I see problems coming up when supporting „casual“ 
users of Legacy, who will not be keen to purchase Legacy 9.

Cheers, David



Am 20170420 um 22:27 schrieb Bob Austen <rgaus...@telus.net>:

Hi David,

I've only been using v9 for a couple of days.  There doesn't seem to be a
significant change in v9 other than the advertized items - which I am
beginning to like.  However I have noticed there are also some bugs in V8
that are now fixed in v9. It also seems to load quicker but that is
speculative as mine open very quickly anyway.  I'm thinking they may have
streamlined some of the code.

Thankfully they haven't changed the 'look and feel' of Legacy.  Mine
upgraded with 99% of the old settings.

I'm pleased with the upgrade.

Bob

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Subject: [LegacyUG] About Legacy9

Is there a list of the major differences between Legacy8 and Legacy9
somewhere?

I mean an honest and complete list that tells me about changing data formats
and things I need to be aware of, not just the advertising stuff on the home
page!

Thanks, David




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Re: [LegacyUG] About Legacy9

[Jill Baty]

I agree.  Very transparent.  So much so that I had to seek the advertised 
changes! 

Best Regards,
Jill A Baty


> On Apr 20, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Bob Austen <rgaus...@telus.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> I've only been using v9 for a couple of days.  There doesn't seem to be a
> significant change in v9 other than the advertized items - which I am
> beginning to like.  However I have noticed there are also some bugs in V8
> that are now fixed in v9. It also seems to load quicker but that is
> speculative as mine open very quickly anyway.  I'm thinking they may have
> streamlined some of the code.
> 
> Thankfully they haven't changed the 'look and feel' of Legacy.  Mine
> upgraded with 99% of the old settings.
> 
> I'm pleased with the upgrade.
> 
> Bob
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of David Picken
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:15 AM
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] About Legacy9
> 
> Is there a list of the major differences between Legacy8 and Legacy9
> somewhere?
> 
> I mean an honest and complete list that tells me about changing data formats
> and things I need to be aware of, not just the advertising stuff on the home
> page!
> 
> Thanks, David
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] About Legacy9

[Bob Austen]

Hi David,

I've only been using v9 for a couple of days.  There doesn't seem to be a
significant change in v9 other than the advertized items - which I am
beginning to like.  However I have noticed there are also some bugs in V8
that are now fixed in v9. It also seems to load quicker but that is
speculative as mine open very quickly anyway.  I'm thinking they may have
streamlined some of the code.

Thankfully they haven't changed the 'look and feel' of Legacy.  Mine
upgraded with 99% of the old settings.

I'm pleased with the upgrade.

Bob

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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:15 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] About Legacy9

Is there a list of the major differences between Legacy8 and Legacy9
somewhere?

I mean an honest and complete list that tells me about changing data formats
and things I need to be aware of, not just the advertising stuff on the home
page!

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[LegacyUG] About Legacy9

[David Picken]

Is there a list of the major differences between Legacy8 and Legacy9 somewhere?

I mean an honest and complete list that tells me about changing data formats 
and things I need to be aware of, not just the advertising stuff on the home 
page!

Thanks, David




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