Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities
Emphasis: (Robert - do you accept personal family knowledge as a documentation?) Yes, I do, provided that I believe the person giving me that knowledge is not habitually forgetful or anything, and is alive. g If I have something like, My mother told me that Aunt Sarah used to make pork soup, then I use: Descended family knowledge as my source. Descended family knowledge is not one of Legacy's default's, you will need to add it if you want to use this. Doing this helps me to keep separate items I was personally told face to face, and items I was told via another person. At 2009-12-27 09:03 AM, you wrote: Connie, Thank you for a fine (and very clear) explanation of your methods. I certainly like your idea of using the Title Prefix, and will use it. It solves a dilemma I have experienced for some time, and seems exactly right. I do have a question about what you say about adding people (who may or may not be connected to your tree (I'm assuming what you call tree is what Legacy calls family file and I think of as data base) Do you have a separate tree for each person, or do you have one tree that is for all such people? I do like Robert's idea of having one pristine and documented tree/family file, as well. I am just not sure how I would document those I KNOW from my own family experience, are legitimate family members, but have never gotten official documentation such as birth certificates, etc. For ex.: I knew my Aunt Zua all my life, and know her to be my grandfather's sister, so I have never spent time tracking down official proof of her parentage. (Robert - do you accept personal family knowledge as a documentation?) I asked for the training tapes of Legacy for Christmas, so perhaps later I won't have so many newbie questions (I have actually used Legacy for a year or more). Thank you so much for taking the time to explain your method so well. And thanks to all those who so graciously came to my rescue on a question that has bothered me from the beginning. Jane S. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Connie mailto:garden...@wbcable.netgarden...@wbcable.net wrote: Not every person I come across with a same surname, timeframe and location ect do I add into my family tree. Some will only make it as far as in research notes, or will be added in their own tree which is NOT linked my main family tree. Those people are ones who reoccur in my research but I have NO IDEA how they might connect to my family line But then there are others Iâll find who Iâm family certain they do belong, but have not found concrete proof Those I handle a bit differentlyy as explained below: I link them in my main database where I believe they fit, adding a notation in the _Title Prefix_ placeholder (this field is normally reserved for titles such as Sir, Knight, King etc.; First name: John Last name: Powers Title Prefix: [possible son of Adam] -or- First name: Jane Last name: Smith Title Prefix: [possible wife of Adam Powers] And so on It is easy via the search function to locate anyone with a '[' in their name. ( SearchFindIndividualPrefixContains[ ) Linking them allows me to see at a glance where I âthinkâ they belong within the tree structure, yet at the same time making it clear (as it will show up as part of their name) the relationship is unproven requiring more research to confirm. I have found it the easiest way for me to keep track of them, whereas keeping them only in notes or in a separate tree or database Iâd likely forget all about them for the most part I have also used this same tactic (adding a note to the Title Prefix spot to families I have researched and determined are not part of my family line even though they are living in the same area; same timeframe and with same surname etc.  They will be entered into their own tree, not connected to my family tree as; First name: Jane Last name: Smith Prefix Title: [NOT my family line] This allows this Jane Smith to sort with the âotherâ Jane Smithâs and yet will be easily recognizable that this particular Jane is not part of my family line. It also keeps me aware of who I have researched and determined to NOT be my family very helpful with some of my families who havve common surnames such as Smith, Williams, Gibson etc. Not saying this is the BEST way, but works well for me. I hope I've explained my method clearly. It's easy to do, but not nearly as easy to explain :-) Connie Spindel Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities
Jane, I have added SOURCES such as: Personal Knowledge of [Persons Name] Collected family papers and Notes Interview with [Persons Name] (Actually- Surname, First Name - Personal Interview) Hoff Email - [Person Who sent Email] To me these are sources (though the Email may be a questionable one) Keith -- Find-A-Grave County Keeper for Schuylkill County, PA Keith A. McKain McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 - # Mc17936 Website: http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64 Email: geosc...@comcast.net On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: Connie, Thank you for a fine (and very clear) explanation of your methods. I certainly like your idea of using the Title Prefix, and will use it. It solves a dilemma I have experienced for some time, and seems exactly right. I do have a question about what you say about adding people (who may or may not be connected to your tree (I'm assuming what you call tree is what Legacy calls family file and I think of as data base) Do you have a separate tree for each person, or do you have one tree that is for all such people? I do like Robert's idea of having one pristine and documented tree/family file, as well. I am just not sure how I would document those I KNOW from my own family experience, are legitimate family members, but have never gotten official documentation such as birth certificates, etc. For ex.: I knew my Aunt Zua all my life, and know her to be my grandfather's sister, so I have never spent time tracking down official proof of her parentage. (Robert - do you accept personal family knowledge as a documentation?) I asked for the training tapes of Legacy for Christmas, so perhaps later I won't have so many newbie questions (I have actually used Legacy for a year or more). Thank you so much for taking the time to explain your method so well. And thanks to all those who so graciously came to my rescue on a question that has bothered me from the beginning. Jane S. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Connie garden...@wbcable.net wrote: Not every person I come across with a same surname, timeframe and location ect do I add into my family tree. Some will only make it as far as in research notes, or will be added in their own tree which is NOT linked my main family tree. Those people are ones who reoccur in my research but I have NO IDEA how they might connect to my family line… But then there are others I’ll find who I’m family certain they do belong, but have not found concrete proof… Those I handle a bit differently as explained below: I link them in my main database where I believe they fit, adding a notation in the _Title Prefix_ placeholder (this field is normally reserved for titles such as Sir, Knight, King etc.; First name: John Last name: Powers Title Prefix: [possible son of Adam] -or- First name: Jane Last name: Smith Title Prefix: [possible wife of Adam Powers] And so on… It is easy via the search function to locate anyone with a '[' in their name. ( SearchFindIndividualPrefixContains[ ) Linking them allows me to see at a glance where I ‘think’ they belong within the tree structure, yet at the same time making it clear (as it will show up as part of their name) the relationship is unproven requiring more research to confirm. I have found it the easiest way for me to keep track of them, whereas keeping them only in notes or in a separate tree or database I’d likely forget all about them for the most part… I have also used this same tactic (adding a note to the Title Prefix spot to families I have researched and determined are not part of my family line even though they are living in the same area; same timeframe and with same surname etc. They will be entered into their own tree, not connected to my family tree as; First name: Jane Last name: Smith Prefix Title: [NOT my family line] This allows this Jane Smith to sort with the ‘other’ Jane Smith’s and yet will be easily recognizable that this particular Jane is not part of my family line. It also keeps me aware of who I have researched and determined to NOT be my family – very helpful with some of my families who have common surnames such as Smith, Williams, Gibson etc. Not saying this is the BEST way, but works well for me. I hope I've explained my method clearly. It's easy to do, but not nearly as easy to explain :-) Connie Spindel Connie's Family History Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~familyhistorypages/ Maternal Surnames (in US) Andersen, Anthony, Batson, Carson, Cullum, Davis, Dickerson, Gibson, Harold, Hampson, Huston, Kennett, Larsen, Logan, Mann, Powers, Robison, Seaman, Shaw, Skinner and Sumners Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived
Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities
Jane, I have an event, ³Possible.² Anything entered here is clearly in the realm of speculation or theory. But entering the event ensures that I won¹t forget my thought process when I return to researching the individual in question. I enter a brief argument in the notes section, and add any sources that I might want to return to. Janis Walker Gilmore Pawleys Island, SC, Seattle, WA On 12/26/09 11:56 AM, sarlesinsi...@gmail.com sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: I have struggled with this question for a long time. It is hard to state it clearly. I should like to know how others handle putting into your data those people who MAY be related or connected to your family. For example: Persons living in the same county who have the same surname as your family, but you have found no connection. Persons who are strangers to you, but who are in - say a Rootweb World Connect Tree - as being a parent/sibling/child of your ancestor. Some one who, as a result of some kind of clue (family given names, in a deed with no relationship stated, etc.) appears to have a connection, but you don't know what it is. Person of a whole different surname, but whom you find repeatedly in your research on your surname, so suspect there may be a link. I never know what to do with these peripheral people, as far as inputting them into my Legacy program. Any suggestions? Jane S. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities
I don't. I use as the Source: 'Smith, Jane records', then listing the details what I recieved: copies of six letters 18 pages pedigree charts, 15 family group sheets, 20 pages photocopies of government documents. I use one manila folder for her stuff, then do the source work on each separately, with the repository in that folder. Unless you have a folder called personal family knowledge containing ALL of them. One of my biggest files has my name on it. Make yourself the source. Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: Robert Carneal USA carnea...@adelphia.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sun, December 27, 2009 7:28:20 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities Emphasis: (Robert - do you accept personal family knowledge as a documentation?) Yes, I do, provided that I believe the person giving me that knowledge is not habitually forgetful or anything, and is alive. g If I have something like, My mother told me that Aunt Sarah used to make pork soup, then I use: Descended family knowledge as my source. Descended family knowledge is not one of Legacy's default's, you will need to add it if you want to use this. Doing this helps me to keep separate items I was personally told face to face, and items I was told via another person. At 2009-12-27 09:03 AM, you wrote: Connie, Thank you for a fine (and very clear) explanation of your methods. I certainly like your idea of using the Title Prefix, and will use it. It solves a dilemma I have experienced for some time, and seems exactly right. I do have a question about what you say about adding people (who may or may not be connected to your tree (I'm assuming what you call tree is what Legacy calls family file and I think of as data base) Do you have a separate tree for each person, or do you have one tree that is for all such people? I do like Robert's idea of having one pristine and documented tree/family file, as well. I am just not sure how I would document those I KNOW from my own family experience, are legitimate family members, but have never gotten official documentation such as birth certificates, etc. For ex.: I knew my Aunt Zua all my life, and know her to be my grandfather's sister, so I have never spent time tracking down official proof of her parentage. (Robert - do you accept personal family knowledge as a documentation?) I asked for the training tapes of Legacy for Christmas, so perhaps later I won't have so many newbie questions (I have actually used Legacy for a year or more). Thank you so much for taking the time to explain your method so well. And thanks to all those who so graciously came to my rescue on a question that has bothered me from the beginning. Jane S. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Connie mailto:garden...@wbcable.netgarden...@wbcable.net wrote: Not every person I come across with a same surname, timeframe and location ect do I add into my family tree. Some will only make it as far as in research notes, or will be added in their own tree which is NOT linked my main family tree. Those people are ones who reoccur in my research but I have NO IDEA how they might connect to my family line But then there are others Iâll find who Iâm family certain they do belong, but have not found concrete proof Those I handle a bit differentlyy as explained below: I link them in my main database where I believe they fit, adding a notation in the _Title Prefix_ placeholder (this field is normally reserved for titles such as Sir, Knight, King etc.; First name: John Last name: Powers Title Prefix: [possible son of Adam] -or- First name: Jane Last name: Smith Title Prefix: [possible wife of Adam Powers] And so on It is easy via the search function to locate anyone with a '[' in their name. ( SearchFindIndividualPrefixContains[ ) Linking them allows me to see at a glance where I âthinkâ they belong within the tree structure, yet at the same time making it clear (as it will show up as part of their name) the relationship is unproven requiring more research to confirm. I have found it the easiest way for me to keep track of them, whereas keeping them only in notes or in a separate tree or database Iâd likely forget all about them for the most part I have also used this same tactic (adding a note to the Title Prefix spot to families I have researched and determined are not part of my family line even though they are living in the same area; same timeframe and with same surname etc.  They will be entered into their own tree, not connected to my family tree as; First name: Jane Last name: Smith Prefix Title: [NOT my family line] This allows this Jane Smith to sort with the âotherâ Jane Smithâs and yet will be easily recognizable that this particular Jane is not part of my family line. It also keeps me aware of who I have researched and determined to NOT be my family very helpful with some of my families who havve common surnames such as Smith, Williams, Gibson etc. Not saying
Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities
I keep a separate directory called genealogy with sub-directories named after each main family surname. Whenever I find gedcoms, names that might be related, names that keep cropping up, etc., any of the situations you described, I put the information into the sub-directory bearing the main family name to which I think it is related. Same with photos or any scans, they all go in there too. Then after I've finished working on that family and have a clear idea of who's who, where they belong and especially who's missing, I'll check that family directory to see if it has any clues. Occasionally in a sudden fit of housecleaning, I'll delete anything I positively know isn't related. Helen sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: I have struggled with this question for a long time. It is hard to state it clearly. I should like to know how others handle putting into your data those people who MAY be related or connected to your family. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities
Add them all in your Database as an unlinked individuals. As somewone else said, create a TO DO for that person, or them, which creates its own list of those to still do, which keeps all the problems where they can be worked on, or hidden easily. You may find the connection later, the person on RootsWeb may share information with you, or there may be no connection. A couple extra people will not hamper the size of the DB (my opinion). If you don't want people that are farther than 2nd cousins, or some other boundary chosen by you, that is a choice. This is where you decide what YOU want. Rich in LA CA From: sarlesinsi...@gmail.com sarlesinsi...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sat, December 26, 2009 8:56:58 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities I have struggled with this question for a long time. It is hard to state it clearly. I should like to know how others handle putting into your data those people who MAY be related or connected to your family. For example: Persons living in the same county who have the same surname as your family, but you have found no connection. Persons who are strangers to you, but who are in - say a Rootweb World Connect Tree - as being a parent/sibling/child of your ancestor. Some one who, as a result of some kind of clue (family given names, in a deed with no relationship stated, etc.) appears to have a connection, but you don't know what it is. Person of a whole different surname, but whom you find repeatedly in your research on your surname, so suspect there may be a link. I never know what to do with these peripheral people, as far as inputting them into my Legacy program. Any suggestions? Jane S. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities
Jane I never put unproven people into my database. If a link to my family can not be documented, then the individual is put aside until such time that I can prove the linkage. Bill On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:56 AM, sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: I have struggled with this question for a long time. It is hard to state it clearly. I should like to know how others handle putting into your data those people who MAY be related or connected to your family. For example: Persons living in the same county who have the same surname as your family, but you have found no connection. Persons who are strangers to you, but who are in - say a Rootweb World Connect Tree - as being a parent/sibling/child of your ancestor. Some one who, as a result of some kind of clue (family given names, in a deed with no relationship stated, etc.) appears to have a connection, but you don't know what it is. Person of a whole different surname, but whom you find repeatedly in your research on your surname, so suspect there may be a link. I never know what to do with these peripheral people, as far as inputting them into my Legacy program. Any suggestions? Jane S. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities
From the responses - you can see that it is your choice, and people do different things I do different things for the various examples For most I have my research databases, with info I have gotten but haven't been able to verify at all - especially stuff from online Tree's or gedcoms. For your example, of a deed with no relationship stated, or in a will with no relationship stated, or witness to a family event (same a family surname) - I enter them in my database as an unlinked person. hope it helps! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle possibilities
Looks like there can be about as many answers to this question as there are Legacy users. The most important thing is to find a procedure that works for you. If it's someone in an online tree or a name that keeps showing up in records connected to my ancestor or someone with the same surname living in the same location, I put that info in the research notes for my person indicating the potential relationship, where I found it, etc. I also add a to do item for my relative indicating this relationship needs to be researched. When I start actually researching these people in an attempt to prove a relationship, I add them (and their family) to my file so I can keep track of my research but I don't link them to my family until the relationship is proven to my satisfaction. I use a tag to indicate these people are unlinked so I can exclude them when I create webpages from my database. If I prove they are unrelated, I leave them unlinked in my file so I don't forget down the road and waste my time researching them again. Linda M. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:56 AM, sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: I have struggled with this question for a long time. It is hard to state it clearly. I should like to know how others handle putting into your data those people who MAY be related or connected to your family. For example: Persons living in the same county who have the same surname as your family, but you have found no connection. Persons who are strangers to you, but who are in - say a Rootweb World Connect Tree - as being a parent/sibling/child of your ancestor. Some one who, as a result of some kind of clue (family given names, in a deed with no relationship stated, etc.) appears to have a connection, but you don't know what it is. Person of a whole different surname, but whom you find repeatedly in your research on your surname, so suspect there may be a link. I never know what to do with these peripheral people, as far as inputting them into my Legacy program. Any suggestions? Jane S. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
