Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
Wendy, thank you for your reply. In my case there are no half marriages or broken ;line in the descent from ym g grandmother to me and in the case of my cousin, I am fairly positive there are none in her line but I will cjeck again. I have run Check and Repair with no improvement so my next step is to check with my cousin that there are no half marriages in her line, that there is a direct line from her gg grandmother to her. Thank you for your suggestion. Colin - Original Message - From: Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem If you look at that line more closely, I think you will find that at some stage a parent had two partners/spouses, and one line descends from a child from one marriage, and the other child from the second marriage. I have a half-great-uncle, Jack. His father is my great-grandfather (Eddy), his mother is no (blood) relation to me. My great-grandmother had a relationship with Eddy before he married, producing my grandfather. Jack's children are my half-first-cousins, once removed. If this is not the case in your Legacy file, try running the Check/Repair to see if that fixes things up for you. File File Maintenance Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Colin Liddell said the following on 15/02/2012 3:09 p.m.: I am hoping someone on the List will able to explain a relationship problem to me. Just recently I found a distant cousin on Ancestry, it turns out my g grandmother is the sister of her gg grandmother. As she is one step out in the realtionship, my first thought was she was my 3rd cousin once removed but I thought I would check this with the relationship calculator on Legacy and when I did I was told that this lady is my Half third cousin once removed. Can anyone explain to me what the word Half means. I look forward to what you clever folks can tell me. Colin. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
On 15/02/2012 08:05, Colin Liddell wrote: In my case there are no half marriages or broken ;line in the descent from ym g grandmother to me and in the case of my cousin, I am fairly positive there are none in her line but I will cjeck again. I have run Check and Repair with no improvement so my next step is to check with my cousin that there are no half marriages in her line, that there is a direct line from her gg grandmother to her. I think what people are saying is not that the half-relationship actually exists but that Legacy mistakenly thinks it did. It sometimes happen that people find phantom marriages in their family file and this can cause children to be added to what looks like the right parents but aren't. I'm sure your cousin will confirm that there were no half-siblings involved. It's Legacy you need to check with. Look at each person in the line and see if any of them are shown as having 2 spouses. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
Hi Colin, In my case there are no half marriages or broken ;line in the descent from ym g grandmother to me and in the case of my cousin, I am fairly positive there are none in her line but I will cjeck again. I have run Check and Repair with no improvement so my next step is to check with my cousin that there are no half marriages in her line, that there is a direct line from her gg grandmother to her. It is your Legacy database that is telling you there is a half-relationship. Concentrate on that - if indeed there is no genuine half-relationship in reality, your cousin is going to be very confused about what you're asking. Then again, they may know exactly what you're talking about and point you to the person concerned (and you didn't notice when you were inputting the information, or forgot). Try bringing up the Marriage List (View Marriage List) and check through each ancestor that you have in common with the line that is half according to your database. Do any of them have more than one spouse? Hope this helps. :-) Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
The word “Half” means that one of them had the same mother or the same father but not both. Did you check to see that there were not two marriages in the line. Russ From: Colin Liddell Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:09 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem I am hoping someone on the List will able to explain a relationship problem to me. Just recently I found a distant cousin on Ancestry, it turns out my g grandmother is the sister of her gg grandmother. As she is one step out in the realtionship, my first thought was she was my 3rd cousin once removed but I thought I would check this with the relationship calculator on Legacy and when I did I was told that this lady is my Half third cousin once removed. Can anyone explain to me what the word Half means. I look forward to what you clever folks can tell me. Colin. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
Russ,thank you for your reply.
They both had the same parents. I had the same thought and went in to check
that I had not entered the mother twice for some reason but she is the only
entry, it is an unusual name, Sara Johanna Doelnif Van Die KAAP so it would
not be accidently entered twice.{:-)
I removed the husband's name from Legacy and then checked the relationship
and I get the same answer, Half 3rd Cousin once removed.
Most strange.
Colin.
- Original Message -
From: R G Strong-genes
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
The word “Half” means that one of them had the same mother or the same
father but not both. Did you check to see that there were not two marriages
in the line.
Russ
From: Colin Liddell
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
I am hoping someone on the List will able to explain a relationship problem
to me.
Just recently I found a distant cousin on Ancestry, it turns out my g
grandmother is the sister of her gg grandmother. As she is one step out in
the relationship, my first thought was she was my 3rd cousin once removed
but I thought I would check this with the relationship calculator on Legacy
and when I did I was told that this lady is my Half third cousin once
removed.
Can anyone explain to me what the word Half means.
I look forward to what you clever folks can tell me.
Colin.
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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
Go further back in their ancestry.
CE From: cap...@optusnet.com.au
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:29:50 +1000
Russ,thank you for your reply.
They both had the same parents. I had the same thought and went in to check
that I had not entered the mother twice for some reason but she is the only
entry, it is an unusual name, Sara Johanna Doelnif Van Die KAAP so it would
not be accidently entered twice.{:-)
I removed the husband's name from Legacy and then checked the relationship
and I get the same answer, Half 3rd Cousin once removed.
Most strange.
Colin.
- Original Message -
From: R G Strong-genes
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
The word “Half” means that one of them had the same mother or the same
father but not both. Did you check to see that there were not two marriages
in the line.
Russ
From: Colin Liddell
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
I am hoping someone on the List will able to explain a relationship problem
to me.
Just recently I found a distant cousin on Ancestry, it turns out my g
grandmother is the sister of her gg grandmother. As she is one step out in
the relationship, my first thought was she was my 3rd cousin once removed
but I thought I would check this with the relationship calculator on Legacy
and when I did I was told that this lady is my Half third cousin once
removed.
Can anyone explain to me what the word Half means.
I look forward to what you clever folks can tell me.
Colin.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
CE, I am at the end of the line, I can go no further back at the moment. This
research is in South Africa which is a difficult place to research at the best
of times, I have had to rely on Baptisms to get back this far.
I have Sara Johanna Doelnif Van Die KAAP who was a slave to a Dutch farmer, he
gave Sara her freedom, at some stage either before or after she was given her
freedom she gave birth to three children.
Sara, Carolina Doelnif
Jan Hendrik Doelnif
Martha Arletta Doelnif
No surname given.
It is the two daughters, Johanna and Martha that are involved in this, my
cousin is the gg grand daughter of Johanna and I am the g grandson of Martha
and I am trying to establish what relationship I am to my cousin. I have even
removed the supposed father of Martha and just left Sara as their parent and
Legacy still says I am half third cousin once removed
thank you for your suggestion.
Colin
- Original Message -
From: CE WOOD
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
Go further back in their ancestry.
CE
From: cap...@optusnet.com.au
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:29:50 +1000
Russ,thank you for your reply.
They both had the same parents. I had the same thought and went in to check
that I had not entered the mother twice for some reason but she is the only
entry, it is an unusual name, Sara Johanna Doelnif Van Die KAAP so it would
not be accidently entered twice.{:-)
I removed the husband's name from Legacy and then checked the relationship
and I get the same answer, Half 3rd Cousin once removed.
Most strange.
Colin.
- Original Message -
From: R G Strong-genes
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
The word “Half” means that one of them had the same mother or the same
father but not both. Did you check to see that there were not two marriages
in the line.
Russ
From: Colin Liddell
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
I am hoping someone on the List will able to explain a relationship problem
to me.
Just recently I found a distant cousin on Ancestry, it turns out my g
grandmother is the sister of her gg grandmother. As she is one step out in
the relationship, my first thought was she was my 3rd cousin once removed
but I thought I would check this with the relationship calculator on Legacy
and when I did I was told that this lady is my Half third cousin once
removed.
Can anyone explain to me what the word Half means.
I look forward to what you clever folks can tell me.
Colin.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
If you look at that line more closely, I think you will find that at some stage a parent had two partners/spouses, and one line descends from a child from one marriage, and the other child from the second marriage. I have a half-great-uncle, Jack. His father is my great-grandfather (Eddy), his mother is no (blood) relation to me. My great-grandmother had a relationship with Eddy before he married, producing my grandfather. Jack's children are my half-first-cousins, once removed. If this is not the case in your Legacy file, try running the Check/Repair to see if that fixes things up for you. File File Maintenance Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Colin Liddell said the following on 15/02/2012 3:09 p.m.: I am hoping someone on the List will able to explain a relationship problem to me. Just recently I found a distant cousin on Ancestry, it turns out my g grandmother is the sister of her gg grandmother. As she is one step out in the realtionship, my first thought was she was my 3rd cousin once removed but I thought I would check this with the relationship calculator on Legacy and when I did I was told that this lady is my Half third cousin once removed. Can anyone explain to me what the word Half means. I look forward to what you clever folks can tell me. Colin. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
- Original Message - From: Tony Rolfe geneal...@gillandtony.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem If your GGM is the sister of her 2GGM, then their parents are the common ancestors. So Your 2GGP and her 3GGP are the same people. This means that you are third cousins once removed. How does this work? This couple had children, your GGM, her 2GGM and maybe others. these are siblings. These people had children (your GP and her GGP) who are first cousins. These people had children (your parent and her grandparent) who are second cousins. Now, these people also had children (you and her parent) who are third cousins. Now, we don't go any further in your line, but she is one layer below you, hence the once removed bit. Her children will still be your third cousins, but twice removed. Your children will be her 4th cousins. The easiest way, I think, to work it out is to find the most recent common ancestor of both people and then count the steps back. Your parents are 1 step, your grand parents are two steps, your GGP are 3 steps and your 2GGP are four steps. So, for you it is 4 steps. For her, it is 5 steps. Now, take the smaller number of steps and subtract 1. That is the Cousin bit. 4-1=3, so 3rd cousin. Then take the difference between the two numbers and that is the removed bit. 4-3=1, so once removed. Of course, if the shorter number of steps = 1, then you get 0th cousin, which translates into Aunt or uncle and the difference is whether they are great aunt etc. Hope that helps - Thank you Tony for answering my post about the relationship, my apologies for not being very clear as to my request. I am aware of what you have explained regarding relationships, I too had come to the conclusion that we would be 3rd cousins once removed BUT, here is the rub: When I checked in Legacy to be sure I have it right, Legacy told me that we are HALF third cousins once removed, it is the HALF that I do not understand. Russ, another Lister told me that HALF meant each daughter had a different father but this is not so. I removed the father's name and just left the mother's name and I still get the same message, very frustrating! even check a oline chart and it showed that we are 3rd cousins once removed so is this a problem in Legacy? Should it be reported? Regards, Colin Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
