Re: [OSM-legal-talk] BC Open Government License

2012-05-04 Thread Michael Collinson
Thanks Paul, this is good news.  These kinds of license are appearing in 
a number of countries and are a great way of providing open geodata by 
governmental organisations.


One small correction, but a positive one:  The license is based on the 
pure UK Open Government License [1] rather than the one used by the UK 
OS OpenData. The Ordnance Survey use an adultered version which is not 
necessarily compatible with OSM; we had to get explicit clarification 
from them to use data.


I've just read through the BC license and my conclusion is also it is 
compatible with our contributor terms in conjunction with ODbL, CC-BY-SA 
or a future license provided that on our official attribution page [2] 
we attribute them (5a) and state that we have not official status (5b).  
The existing OS attribution can be used as a model. A link to a separate 
project web-page describing the data and how we use it would also help 
with 5c.


My only caution is 7c (third party rights) but agree with Paul's 
conclusion. My guess is that this would be more applicable to documents 
that contain specific elements like a photo or map with more restrictive 
licensing. For geodata, just check that if there is suite of datasets, 
that there is not one with more restrictive rights.



Mike

[1] http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/

[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution

On 03/05/2012 01:17, Paul Norman wrote:

The BC government has released data under the Open Government License for
Government of BC Information[1] which is based on the same license used for
OS OpenData information[2]. OS OpenData can be used in OSM[3]

The OGL BC is, broadly speaking, an attribution only license that makes
allowances for attribution where combining information from multiple
sources.

The only potential concerns are under section 7, exemptions, and section 10,
governing law.

7a and 7b cover information that the FIPPA act prohibits the disclosure of.
The government does not have the authority to grant permission to use
information FIPPA prevents the disclosure of so even if these clauses were
not present it would not change what they had licensed.[4]

In practice this is a non-issue since the type of data that would be of
interest to OSM is not personal information that the government is
prohibited from disclosing. These terms are also of the BC equivalent of the
OS terms.

7c states that the government does not license what it doesn't have the
rights to license. Without this term they would still not be granting a
license to information they can't license.

7d is not an issue. There is no database directive in BC and otherwise the
term is the same as the OS term

10 is the same as the OS term.

Given that the OS license is already acceptable I see no reason why this
license is also not acceptable.

[1]: http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/dbc/admin/terms.page
[2]:
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/docs/licences/os-opendata-licence.
pdf
[3]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata
[4]: FIPPA would override the license.


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] BC Open Government License

2012-05-04 Thread Paul Norman
I've added DataBC to the wiki page. I've had a look at the data and I don't
foresee any imports taking place but I do see some of the layers being
useful for references (e.g. names of highway rest areas) as well as for
pointing out where there is something to map.

It looks like the data from the large complex data sets is already included
in datasets we can already use like CanVec.

The origin of the data is well documented and it's all from government
ministries. There's always the chance that they mistakenly included some
third-party data but that's possible with any data source.

I'm still working on trying to get the raw GeoTIFFs from DataBC instead of
just access to the openmaps server.

 From: Michael Collinson [mailto:m...@ayeltd.biz]
 Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] BC Open Government License
 
 Thanks Paul, this is good news.  These kinds of license are appearing in
 a number of countries and are a great way of providing open geodata by
 governmental organisations.
 
 One small correction, but a positive one:  The license is based on the
 pure UK Open Government License [1] rather than the one used by the UK
 OS OpenData. The Ordnance Survey use an adultered version which is not
 necessarily compatible with OSM; we had to get explicit clarification
 from them to use data.
 
 I've just read through the BC license and my conclusion is also it is
 compatible with our contributor terms in conjunction with ODbL, CC-BY-SA
 or a future license provided that on our official attribution page [2]
 we attribute them (5a) and state that we have not official status (5b).
 The existing OS attribution can be used as a model. A link to a separate
 project web-page describing the data and how we use it would also help
 with 5c.
 
 My only caution is 7c (third party rights) but agree with Paul's
 conclusion. My guess is that this would be more applicable to documents
 that contain specific elements like a photo or map with more restrictive
 licensing. For geodata, just check that if there is suite of datasets,
 that there is not one with more restrictive rights.
 
 
 Mike
 
 [1] http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/
 
 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution
 
 On 03/05/2012 01:17, Paul Norman wrote:
  The BC government has released data under the Open Government License
  for Government of BC Information[1] which is based on the same license
  used for OS OpenData information[2]. OS OpenData can be used in OSM[3]
 
  The OGL BC is, broadly speaking, an attribution only license that
  makes allowances for attribution where combining information from
  multiple sources.
 
  The only potential concerns are under section 7, exemptions, and
  section 10, governing law.
 
  7a and 7b cover information that the FIPPA act prohibits the
 disclosure of.
  The government does not have the authority to grant permission to use
  information FIPPA prevents the disclosure of so even if these clauses
  were not present it would not change what they had licensed.[4]
 
  In practice this is a non-issue since the type of data that would be
  of interest to OSM is not personal information that the government is
  prohibited from disclosing. These terms are also of the BC equivalent
  of the OS terms.
 
  7c states that the government does not license what it doesn't have
  the rights to license. Without this term they would still not be
  granting a license to information they can't license.
 
  7d is not an issue. There is no database directive in BC and otherwise
  the term is the same as the OS term
 
  10 is the same as the OS term.
 
  Given that the OS license is already acceptable I see no reason why
  this license is also not acceptable.
 
  [1]: http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/dbc/admin/terms.page
  [2]:
  http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/docs/licences/os-opendata-
 licence.
  pdf
  [3]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata
  [4]: FIPPA would override the license.
 
 
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