Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/08/14 01:58 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: It would be great if people would help fill in the blanks, or correct me where I might have misrepresented the discussion. The page asserts: Geocodes are a Produced Work by the definition of the ODbL (section 1.): “Produced Work” – a work (such as an image, audiovisual material, text, or sounds) resulting from using the whole or a Substantial part of the Contents (via a search or other query) from this Database, a Derivative Database, or this Database as part of a Collective Database. The rest of the page then silently slips from the idea that individual geocodes (a term of art for co-ordinates Extracted from the Database) are Produced Works (rather than individually not being Substantial Extracts) to the idea that any number of geocodes are still a Produced Work. But neither the ODbL nor the page explain why a database of geographical co-ordinates is more like an image, text or sound rather than...a database. Or why if that database contains a Substantial portion of the source Database it is not a Derivative Database. The biggest blank on the page is therefore any explanation of why a derivative database becomes a produced work if we call the queries used to produce it geocoding rather than Extraction. :-/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT9iF/AAoJECciMUAZd2dZrAoH/279WkdDxayizW3HTlxTeu1P EdwVdGE3wt/j5hMnPw3aJvHUl3AYNyOlmPlAhwJDHJTw+C3m9q9YldMU2fmx+kkr ZjYntIUfZsnZ1EHFl/Wj8Vx8EUaJjU/qhc1C0PYNpZXS1I9Xeb54BXmLGqwnp988 I1cyq3P1PgoDlzFU2eio6m61lOKPVqXxQCuegpbrkBqcCzCbHmwd/Km39iV4vfu8 icoEzwpgtl4v67HhFZkXtgeQY06xcHjH6641+hVZCYE16ozAsVFevW8a+urUbmkn B921qizR2SsB0yi/O74RRQNehgCTGrcToKzLP5oEKfjopBI2w1p9dM+Uc7ydd1s= =F2f1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal
Rob, On 08/21/2014 06:42 PM, Rob Myers wrote: It would be great if people would help fill in the blanks, or correct me where I might have misrepresented the discussion. The page asserts: Geocodes are a Produced Work [...] The rest of the page then silently slips [...] I have tried to present the two different viewpoints in two columns. On the left is Alex' original version which claims what you summarized in your message (that geocodes are produced works etc.); on the right is a version that explicitly claims A database of Geocodes is a derivative database by the definition of the ODbL - which seems to be exactly the statement that you were aiming at, no? The blanks that need filling are the consequences of this different interpreatation for the various use cases. I added one for use case #1, but only an empty column for use cases #2-#4 and #7. I added no extra column for #5 and #6 because those struck me as identical under both interpretations but of course I might be wrong. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Regarding case 7 of the License/Use Cases
I'm new and sorry if this has been asked before, I'll try and keep it short. Intro: I am developing a web application for cyclists. I was developing it for use in Google Maps until I found out about OSM and am cursing at myself for not knowing about it sooner! Anyway, the web application includes finding cycle routes, reviews, and sharing GPX tracks. I would like to contribute to OSM by importing data that riders have uploaded onto my site. I've read the import guidelines and plan to take great care in adding/editing data. I plan on seeking advice on how to do this and of course won't do any importing until I've gotten the go ahead. The types of imports will be for amenities like toilets and drinking_water as well as bicycle information for cycleways and road surface. My question is can my database reference Ways, Nodes, etc which will also have additional information that isn't needed/wanted in OSM without using the ODbl license? Here is case 7 of the license/Use_cases page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/License/Use_Cases#Case_7:_I_want_to_contribute_my_data_to_OSM.2C_then_use_that If that is still considered a derivative work then does OSM offer exemptions to the ODbl for mutual relationships? If that is not possible then would only including portions of my database in the ODbl be OK seeing how it will contain information about users which, to me, would be unacceptable to give away. Thank you all for your time and thought on this subject. Matt ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
