Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data
Am 07.01.2015 um 13:00 schrieb Henning Hollburg: Let's say I have a great source of Floating Car Data (FCD). I'd like to use this FCD to calculate precise weights for edges I derived from OSM. These edges will be used in an online navigation application later on. The crux is the later on algorithmically combining data/datasets on device is at least a grey area, specifically if the non-OSM data is actually dynamic. As a tendency I would lean on the side of the result being a produced work and that 4.5.b would apply. Naturally you can create some undesirable corner cases (distributing a diff between OSM and your OSM+), but that's probably unavoidable and likely not to have any real consequences. Do I need to publish these weights according to the ODbL? You are never required to publish you original proprietary data, just the derivative database (if it actually exists). Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data
Hi, 2015-01-08 4:44 GMT+01:00 Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de: For OSM it would be much more convenient when the license says You are allowed to use the OSM data, but when you change it you give OSM the right to merge back your changes if they want to. As far as I understand it, it works that way - if data is publicly used, it has to be licensed under ODbL. Probably we should adjust the license one more time before too much incompatible data is being imported. And I'm asking for stricter regulations considering imports. Data not compatible with future license changes must not be imported at all. Other mappers are building their changes on a weak foundation. Mappers will import as much as they can (caring for their neighbourhood's presence), and when in doubt will import until they can - we've seen this already. And who's gonna tell you what the future licenses are? ODbL is not perfect, but it's CTs that made things more messy, especially they have changed over time (funny thing, huh? do you know which data is under which CTs?). And they make sure that you have the right to authorize OSMF to use and distribute those Contents under our current licence terms, and then OSMF may only use or sub-license Your Contents as part of a database and only under the terms of one or more of the following licences: ODbL 1.0 for the database and DbCL 1.0 for the individual contents of the database; CC-BY-SA 2.0; or such other free and open licence (for example, http://www.opendefinition.org/okd/) as may from time to time be chosen by a vote of the OSMF membership and approved by at least a 2/3 majority vote of active contributors. So you give OSMF right to change the license for data you were able to import under (currently) ODbL, even though you may not be entitled to grant them this right (if you're importing something). So it's just one big bag of data with messy licensing hardcoded in. I doubt you will succeed in any actions you've stated above. Regards, Tadeusz ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data
Let's suppose you are using data from external source to estimate actual travel speed at various places. Then you are assigning travel speed to edges of road network obtained from OSM. Even if the travel speeds are kept in separate table, to use them in routing algorithm you need to define some relation between your data and OSM based network, probably some relation through Id of edges. In this case the travel speeds are in fact additional attribute of OSM network edges, even if you keep them in different database table. As far as I understand the ODbl license and community guidelines, I think this kind of relation creates derivative database, where you have Share- alike obligation (If you are using it publicly). It doesn’t necessarily mean, your traffic data will be imported directly to OSM. I think, It means you have to publish them under ODbl? Am I wrong? Karel -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Simon Poole si...@poole.ch Komu: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Datum: 8. 1. 2015 12:43:10 Předmět: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data Am 07.01.2015 um 13:00 schrieb Henning Hollburg: Let's say I have a great source of Floating Car Data (FCD). I'd like to use this FCD to calculate precise weights for edges I derived from OSM. These edges will be used in an online navigation application later on. The crux is the later on algorithmically combining data/datasets on device is at least a grey area, specifically if the non-OSM data is actually dynamic. As a tendency I would lean on the side of the result being a produced work and that 4.5.b would apply. Naturally you can create some undesirable corner cases (distributing a diff between OSM and your OSM+), but that's probably unavoidable and likely not to have any real consequences. Do I need to publish these weights according to the ODbL? You are never required to publish you original proprietary data, just the derivative database (if it actually exists). Simon___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk;___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
