Re: [OSM-legal-talk] map drawn based on OSM tiles
Hi Simon, From: "Simon Poole" > Are you really doing this (applies to your 2nd question too) or are you > dealing in hypotheticals? As this would seem to be a rather roundabout > way to get shapefiles from OSM data it just seems to be rather unlikely. I'm really doing this but I'm *not* getting shapefiles from OSM data, I'm getting a shapefile from lines, someone has drawn as an overlay on a printed map produced by OSM data. Here's the whole story: someone has sent me areas drawn by hand on a printed OSM map (OSM standard style) with a (tick) black pen. I've scanned the map, georeferenced it in QGIS based on OSM data and digitized the marker. I've also played with QGIS color settings to only see the black pen and not the map on a white background (was easier to draw that way). The accuracy is aweful, but fine for the task the borders are needed for. Those lines often areas, where OSM doesn't have any borders (f.e. crossing a forest or field diagonally) and they never accurately follow a line on the printed map. > In any case you are creating a derivative of a CC BY-SA 2.0 licensed > work which requires all derivatives to be licensed on CC BY-SA 2.0 terms > (that are far more restrictive than the ODbL). I thought, whenever you re-digitize OSM data from a printed map, it would get ODbL again. According to current ruling by European Court of Justice, a printed map is just a database (it has been judged for a German topographical map in small scale). So if I had freely drawn the borders based on extract of OSM (with the paper on the desk), it would fall under ODbL? Sincerely yours, Lars-Daniel > Gesendet: Montag, 07. Oktober 2019 um 00:45 Uhr > Von: "Simon Poole" > An: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > Betreff: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] map drawn based on OSM tiles > > Are you really doing this (applies to your 2nd question too) or are you > dealing in hypotheticals? As this would seem to be a rather roundabout > way to get shapefiles from OSM data it just seems to be rather unlikely. > > In any case you are creating a derivative of a CC BY-SA 2.0 licensed > work which requires all derivatives to be licensed on CC BY-SA 2.0 terms > (that are far more restrictive than the ODbL). > > Am 06.10.2019 um 15:05 schrieb Lars-Daniel Weber: > > Dear users, > > > > I've drawn a map based on the official OpenStreetMap tiles, which are > > licensed under CC-BY-SA 2.0 using QGIS. The result is stored as a > > shapefile. The shapefile should be published to students to work with it. > > It might be printed and shared otherwise. > > > > Most of the time during the drawing, I've oriented myself on elements > > existing in OSM (rivers, streets etc.), but sometimes I've divided areas by > > own knowledge or by own needs. The resulting shapefile doesn't contain OSM > > data (nothing got extracted) and it doesn't have the quality to contribute > > back to OSM (I've generalized the geometries by hand). > > > > Is this a "produced work"? Can I release the shapefile under my own > > license, but attribute each element as "based on OpenStreetMap"? What > > license shall I point to? Since it's not directly based on the ODbL data > > (it's based on the rendered style), will data extracted from the map from > > others fall under ODbL again? > > > > Sincerely yours, > > Lars-Daniel > > > > ___ > > legal-talk mailing list > > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] map drawn based on OSM tiles
Are you really doing this (applies to your 2nd question too) or are you dealing in hypotheticals? As this would seem to be a rather roundabout way to get shapefiles from OSM data it just seems to be rather unlikely. In any case you are creating a derivative of a CC BY-SA 2.0 licensed work which requires all derivatives to be licensed on CC BY-SA 2.0 terms (that are far more restrictive than the ODbL). Am 06.10.2019 um 15:05 schrieb Lars-Daniel Weber: > Dear users, > > I've drawn a map based on the official OpenStreetMap tiles, which are > licensed under CC-BY-SA 2.0 using QGIS. The result is stored as a shapefile. > The shapefile should be published to students to work with it. It might be > printed and shared otherwise. > > Most of the time during the drawing, I've oriented myself on elements > existing in OSM (rivers, streets etc.), but sometimes I've divided areas by > own knowledge or by own needs. The resulting shapefile doesn't contain OSM > data (nothing got extracted) and it doesn't have the quality to contribute > back to OSM (I've generalized the geometries by hand). > > Is this a "produced work"? Can I release the shapefile under my own license, > but attribute each element as "based on OpenStreetMap"? What license shall I > point to? Since it's not directly based on the ODbL data (it's based on the > rendered style), will data extracted from the map from others fall under ODbL > again? > > Sincerely yours, > Lars-Daniel > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] ZIP codes from OSM in non-compatible licensed dataset
Dear users, I'm often intersecting geodata with a license, which is in a non-ODbL-compatible license, with OSM data to enrich this data. Normally, I'm doing this for internal (private) use only, but I want to publish such a dataset now. For example, I'm getting postal ZIP codes from OSM and add these to other POI data. I'm keeping the original ZIP codes from the source and the ZIP codes from OSM and I'm not completing the ZIP codes by each other - they don't interact, I'm not removing duplicates and they're in two different columns. Of course, ZIP codes don't seem to be a substantial part, but the data is related by each other, since I've intersected (joined) both datasets. Is the joined result a "Collective Database" or a "Produced Work", since it only contains a non-substantial part (only one string column) from OSM? Sincerely yours, Lars-Daniel ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] map drawn based on OSM tiles
Dear users, I've drawn a map based on the official OpenStreetMap tiles, which are licensed under CC-BY-SA 2.0 using QGIS. The result is stored as a shapefile. The shapefile should be published to students to work with it. It might be printed and shared otherwise. Most of the time during the drawing, I've oriented myself on elements existing in OSM (rivers, streets etc.), but sometimes I've divided areas by own knowledge or by own needs. The resulting shapefile doesn't contain OSM data (nothing got extracted) and it doesn't have the quality to contribute back to OSM (I've generalized the geometries by hand). Is this a "produced work"? Can I release the shapefile under my own license, but attribute each element as "based on OpenStreetMap"? What license shall I point to? Since it's not directly based on the ODbL data (it's based on the rendered style), will data extracted from the map from others fall under ODbL again? Sincerely yours, Lars-Daniel ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
