On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Richard Weait wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Eric Jarvies e...@csl.com.mx wrote:
On Sep 7, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Richard Weait wrote:
Also, as more data sets are opening up it is possible that Map Maker
and OSM editors are using similar sources.
Yes, I understand this and the context you are explaining it in. But how
does this apply to the edit I made to the OSM data? This edit was not some
recently made available source that was provided to OSM, Google, and others,
it was a just a newbee screw up by yours truly, that resulted in a very
unique and deliberate edit to an existing OSM coastline, that subsequently
ended up in Google's data, as is clearly(to me) being rendered now. I was
just shocked to see that Google had inherited my screwed up edit of an
existing OSM coastline, and that shock turned into interest, which is why I
asked here if they are now using OSM data. In short, there really is no
other 'similar source' in this case... they either got the coastline/way
directly from OSM, or got it from someone else who got it directly from OSM.
Dear Eric,
It is hard for me to say what happened. What you describe above does
make it sound like a GMM contributor used OSM as a source after your
edit, but before you repaired it. If I haven't overlooked something;
perhaps a GMM contributor made the same newbee mistake?
Well, this is what aroused my interest... after the initial shock of seeing my
mistake for a second time... first on OSM, and then now on Google MapMaker(I'm
talking a considerable stretch of coastline), I then looked at what is and what
is not possible to edit on Google MapMaker... and coastlines are NOT possible
to edit by contributors, or at least my user account will not allow it.
And if there
is no other innocent explanation; you didn't make the edit on GMM
yourself did you? ;-)
No, I have never contributed data to the MapMaker repo.
Then 80n's description above is correct.
Infringement is much more likely to be a result of ignorance rather
than malice. It is still infringement but it might best be resolved
with a please and thank you than with a nasty-gram.
I was merely curious if Google had started using OSM data, simply because I was
painfully reminded of that terrible coastline screw-up I made, that was the
bane of my initial OSM editing experience(not knowing that the coastline is not
rendered immediately/regularly). So apart from the initial shock of seeing it
replicated on Google's MapMaker a week or two after the initial incident
occurred, I was just downright curious why it would be there, as I thought
Google did not use OSM data. So this was a curious fact finding mission
wrought from a screwed-up coastline editing experience... nothing more.
I do still recommend that you share the location and details with
OSMers you trust with more experience than you have; you did describe
yourself as a newbee.
I emailed the way to the email address you provided me previously, thank you.
You might, as 80n described, decide to pursue this with GMM yourself.
I'd probably try to reach the GMM contributor who made that edit,
I could not find indication of this... I was not allowed to edit the GMM
coastline whilst logged into Google... perhaps other users are able to do so...
but I doubt it.
if
that information is available. Or, you may decide to ask somebody
else in the community to do that for you. Perhaps somebody at your
local OSM meetups, mapping parties or local chapter.
I am my local chapter :(
Or you can
report this to the Data Working Group though they prefer if you have
made some initial attempt at contact on your own.
No, this was not my objective... I merely wanted to know if GMM was now an OSM
user, and if not, I just wanted folks at OSM to be made aware, if for no other
reason then to be made aware.
If GMM does not
provide a method to contact editors, the idea of contacting Google Map
Mapker as a whole does sound a bit daunting.
I have contacts at Google, specifically in their data acquisitions department,
as I've had dealings with them in the past pertaining to my own data, so
contact would not be difficult, but as stated, that was not my intention.
I think your point about not publishing the location is worth
considering. In past, other contributors have provided links to
examples. That might make an interesting discussion on this list
outside of the context of this specific edit.
In what sense?
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