Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Adding OSM-ids to an external database and publish in CC-BY

2020-03-31 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 31.03.20 um 19:56 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> In Italy we have been discussing this situation: a member of the community
> wants to add links to OSM objects into a list of specific shops (those that
> are open during the covid-19 pandemia).
>
> The list will be published here: https://www.covid19italia.help/opendata/
> with an CC-BY-4.0 license.
>
> The links will be of the kind https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1834818
>

In decision C‑466/12 - Svensson and Others , the European Court of Justice 
stated:

"[...] that the provision on a website of clickable links to works freely 
available on another website does not constitute an act of communication to the 
public, as referred to in that provision."

> Question is, will it be possible to publish such a list, containing OSM-ids
> (or links to OSM objects) with a CC-BY-4.0 license?
>

In my opinion, this case applies not only to links to works, but also to links 
to publicly accessible databases. Since links to database objects are not 
legally relevant duplication of the database, no license terms of the ODbL need 
to be observed in this case.

Falk

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal regulation of the use of OSM data

2020-03-14 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 12.03.20 um 16:54 schrieb Полина Новикова via legal-talk:
> 
> Hello, everybody!
>  
> Please deal with the issue of legal regulation of OSM data.
>  
> If we collect data from your API in XML format or perhaps directly from the 
> front of the API in JSON format (is there any difference in this situation?). 
> The final format for displaying data is the pins of organizations in the 
> custom (our) design, which we place on a third-party map, with the ability to 
> do so under license. Users can find out what type of organization and what 
> kind of organization, filter organizations on the map, i.e., for example, 
> view only hospitals. We assume to take and reflect on the map only socially 
> significant objects on the map - schools, kindergartens, sports institutions, 
> hospitals and shops (a fairly small number of objects). Is this obvious 
> limits to the usefulness? 
>  
> If we allow to use the specified data on our site, which we put on a map, and 
> under the terms of the purpose is not to extract the data, but only for the 
> user to see these data, i.e. the goal is to bring it to the end user as shown 
> in the example with Garmin maps on the site at the link   
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Produced_Work_-_Guideline
>    and it says it's Produced Work. In our situation, is this also a Produced 
> Work? 
>  
I am not sure if I understand the facts correctly. In general, however, one can 
say: If you query all "amenity = hospital" for a specific region, then this is 
a database extract from the OSM database for which section 4.4 of the ODbL 
applies. It does not matter whether the query is made by many individual 
queries or by a single large query. If you show the geographical position and 
the related information of "amenity = hospital" on a map, this display is a 
produced work.

It is particularly important to note that if you use information from "amenity 
= hospital" from the OSM database with your own data and information about 
hospitals, then you create a "derivative database". In this case, section 4.6 
of the ODbL also applies. The own data are then to be released on request 
(share alike)!


> And I would like to clarify about attribution. The guideline states that we 
> should indicate that we are contributors and provide a link to distribution 
> under the ODbL license, on the other hand, for Produced Work in clause 4.3. 
> license ODbL is written a little differently and that is not consistent with 
> the logic written in guidline. Based on this, the question arises whether it 
> is enough that we specify that the map simply contains information from the 
> OSM as indicated at the beginning of paragraph 4.3?

I agree with you that the FAQ does not properly fit the licensing terms in 4.3 
of the ODbL. In particular, the descriptions in the FAQ do not do justice to 
the idea behind the attribution. You can choose your own license for a produced 
work, see section 4.5. b of the ODbL. A proprietary license is also possible 
for the produced work. The idea behind the attribution with the specification 
of the license refers to it. A proprietary license can prevent the user from 
reusing the produced work. The attribution and license information for the 
source should enable the user to create a comparable produced work from the 
open data. For this reason, the ODbL recommends stating the name of the 
database and the license in section 4.3a of the ODbL. I therefore recommend the 
following information: "Data: OpenStreetMap-Contributors (Open Database 
License)". In addition to the information on the data, a separate license can 
be added for the produced work: "Map design: (c) [name], license XYZ.

Regards, Falk


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