Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Collective database

2011-06-07 Thread Kirill Bestoujev

Thanks, Henk!

Kirill

On 07.06.2011 4:37, Henk Hoff wrote:

Hi Kirill,

If you want to clarify as deep as possible you might also want to 
check with OpenDataCommons (ODC), the authors of the license.


Their mailinglist can be found here: 
http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/odc-discuss


cheers,
Henk

Op 06-06-11 13:46, Kirill Bestoujev schreef:

Frederik, thanks for the reply.

Do we have somewhere a more detailed description of collective 
database relating to OSM situation? May be some lawyers opinion or 
something else? Previously we were looking at the situation in a 
different way and suddenly understood that our positions is not very 
clear, so we would like to clarify the situation as deep as possible.


Kirill

On 06.06.2011 15:40, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Hi,

On 06/06/11 12:56, Kirill Bestoujev wrote:

The resulting map (a single file) contains data from both
sources. Can this resulting map (which is a database by its inside
structure) treated as a collective database?


I believe so. In my opinion, a derived database would result if you 
were to mix other data with OSM data in a way that actually looks at 
the OSM data - for example, if you have an OSM database of streets, 
and then add to that streets from another dataset but only where OSM 
had nothing. That would be a derived database. But if you have two 
datasets that live side-by-side in the same physical database, I 
would say that is a collective database.


Bye
Frederik

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[OSM-legal-talk] Collective database

2011-06-06 Thread Kirill Bestoujev

Hi everybody!

I have a question on the collective database under odbl.

The case: a navigation software uses data from two sources - the 
information on roads and buildings from a source under ccbysa, and all 
the rest - water, forest, borders, poi, landuse - from OSM. The map is 
prepared by a separate conversion software and then used by the navi 
program. The resulting map (a single file) contains data from both 
sources. Can this resulting map (which is a database by its inside 
structure) treated as a collective database? The data from OSM is not 
modified in any way and is not merged with non-osm data, it can be 
displayed separately.


So we have two different datasets in one file and we would like to 
release each dataset under different license. Is it possible?


Kirill

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Collective database

2011-06-06 Thread Kirill Bestoujev

Frederik, thanks for the reply.

Do we have somewhere a more detailed description of collective database 
relating to OSM situation? May be some lawyers opinion or something 
else? Previously we were looking at the situation in a different way and 
suddenly understood that our positions is not very clear, so we would 
like to clarify the situation as deep as possible.


Kirill

On 06.06.2011 15:40, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Hi,

On 06/06/11 12:56, Kirill Bestoujev wrote:

The resulting map (a single file) contains data from both
sources. Can this resulting map (which is a database by its inside
structure) treated as a collective database?


I believe so. In my opinion, a derived database would result if you 
were to mix other data with OSM data in a way that actually looks at 
the OSM data - for example, if you have an OSM database of streets, 
and then add to that streets from another dataset but only where OSM 
had nothing. That would be a derived database. But if you have two 
datasets that live side-by-side in the same physical database, I would 
say that is a collective database.


Bye
Frederik

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