[OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?
Hello, is it secure to use Bing? Any license risks? Could Microsoft, at some day, just force us to remove everything with source=Bing on it? Am I forced to have this source tag there? Should stuff, taken from Bing, be verified via GPS track at some time to get the data secure? One risk, which definetly exists, is that Microsoft rejects their offer at some time, so if there is no risk in using the data, I would start to use it to complete several things in my area (buildings, landuse, ) as long as the data is still available for OSM. Yours Manuel ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?
Renaud MICHEL wrote: Is it OK to use bing imagery when you have accepted the contributors term, as I have explicitly accepted them (version 1.0), and every mapper who registered after March 2010 (correct?) are also contributing under CT 1.0? I also did so and I *want* my contributions to get ODbL licensed, as I think it's the better license! Yours Manuel ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] using OSM on TV
visio...@petml.com wrote: Geesh. I'm starting to regret I even posted. I hope this kind of response isn't typical. I'm simply trying to be compliant and seeking to promote OSM data. Please, forget I asked. No follow-up response from you is desired. And I'm sorry to make you upset. Yes, there may be a language barrier and I may have misunderstood you. Sorry for that. For me, this read like you try to get some special permission to allow your customer to use OSM data without following the CC-BY-SA license. What I tried to make clear is that the person, who broadcasts Openstreetmap data also has follow the license terms, you'll find on this page: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright One of your addresses: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Attribution_-_Guideline says that attribution on an associated website would also be OK. In my opinion this isn't the nice way, as a short displaying of where the data came from would be much better for the project, but if someone decided that attribution an an associated website is also OK, then this is OK. But the broadcaster will have to place this attribution on *his* website. A website, anyone can bring in association with the TV broadcast. I didn't know the specialities of the ODbL license. As far as I know, porting to this license is not finished, so data still ins CC-BY-SA licensed, only. Maybe someone else knows details about ODbL? My apologies to everyone if I come across as gruff. This guy just rubbed me the wrong way. Sorry for that! Yours Manuel ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] using OSM on TV
visio...@petml.com wrote: What's required of my customers? I'm hoping that if I attribute on my website and in my app that will be enough. Some broadcasters are hesitant of using attribution. I've seen attribution on TV several times. Mostly for bigger companies like Microsoft. Why should this be impossible with an open project like openstreetmap? In case that a broadcaster wants to send a picture with OSM data, he is the person, who uses the data and so he is the person who has to do what the license says. The license says (http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright/en): | How to credit OpenStreetMap | | If you are using OpenStreetMap map images, we request that your | credit reads at least “© OpenStreetMap contributors, CC-BY-SA”. If | you are using map data only, we request “Map data © OpenStreetMap | contributors, CC-BY-SA”. | | Where possible, OpenStreetMap should be hyperlinked to | http://www.openstreetmap.org/ and CC-BY-SA to | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/. If you are using a | medium where links are not possible (e.g. a printed work), we suggest | you direct your readers to www.openstreetmap.org (perhaps by | expanding ‘OpenStreetMap’ to this full address) and to | www.creativecommons.org. That's what the license says and noone here will be able to tell you something else. It's the job of the broadcaster to add this type of credit to his publication! If you don't tell your customers, that they have to respect the CC-BY-SA license, then what you do is to relicense data, you don't own, under a different license to your customer. So much so as to flat out not use product requiring attribution. For example, some NBC affiliates won't use Google Earth due to the attribution requirements. That's why there are still mapping companies like Curious Maps. You don't have to pay. Anything, you have to do, is to name the author (openstreetmap.org contributors), so where is your problem? If your customer prefers to pay for data, that doesn't need attribution, he should pay for it. You can't just take the openstreetmap.org data, without doing what the license says. If you don't like the license, then please don't use the data. Some of these guys would rather pay than risk attributing an unknown product. One idea behind attribution is, that openstreetmap.org gets a more known project. Yours Manuel ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works
Alexrk wrote: Am I right that such a tourist map could only be published under a CC-like license again? In other words, if I do so and sell just one copy of that map, any Big Publishing Co could duplicate and sell the same on its own for ..hmm.. half the price? Why not? As long as only the map itself is copied and not the huge amount of background information, you'll have to print on a good tourist map. Anything you add, which is not based on OSM data, is your work and you decide on how to license it. Why should someone be able to make thousands of dollars with work, he didn't create on his own? If you want to have the full copyright on your work, then you'll have to pay a license for a commercial map or fetch all data on your own. Yours Manuel ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
