Re: [OSM-legal-talk] About CC-4.0 and ODbl
Hello, But doesn't BY-SA claim to cover the database rights? Doesn't that clash with the ODbL? A produced work isn't a database, so BY-SA 4's (proposed) protection of database rights can't be relevant to it, surely. I'm very happy if this is the case. To clarify, as far as I understand it was said in the context of making PW available under CC-By-SA. It does not mean you can import BY-SA database in ODbL. Regards, Tadeusz ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] About CC-4.0 and ODbl
Rob Myers rob@... writes: On 03/10/13 04:32 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 02/10/13 18:59, Rob Myers wrote: Is it possible to have a BY-SA 4.0 Produced Work? It's possible to give a produced work derived from OSM any license you like (if that's what you mean?) so long as it retains OSM's attribution. Including all rights reserved. But doesn't BY-SA claim to cover the database rights? Doesn't that clash with the ODbL? Hi, Pekka was asking about initial import if the source vector data is published as CC-BY-4.0. Do you have opinions about that? -Jukka Rahkonen- ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] About CC-4.0 and ODbl
On 03/10/13 10:06 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 03/10/13 17:21, Rob Myers wrote: On 03/10/13 04:32 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 02/10/13 18:59, Rob Myers wrote: Is it possible to have a BY-SA 4.0 Produced Work? It's possible to give a produced work derived from OSM any license you like (if that's what you mean?) so long as it retains OSM's attribution. Including all rights reserved. But doesn't BY-SA claim to cover the database rights? Doesn't that clash with the ODbL? A produced work isn't a database, so BY-SA 4's (proposed) protection of database rights can't be relevant to it, surely. I'm very happy if this is the case. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] About CC-4.0 and ODbl
On 02/10/13 18:59, Rob Myers wrote: On 01/10/13 03:48 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 01/10/13 06:01, Stephan Knauss wrote: On 01.10.2013 06:28, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Questions: Is CC-BY-4.0 compatible with OSM current license (ODbl)? If data is released under CC-BY-4.0: can we import it to OSM? To my understanding not even ODbL would be suitable for import into OSM. To be suitable for OSM it must conform with the contributor terms which allow a future license change. That applies to data added by individual contributors, but the OSMF can allow imports under other terms. See the preamble to http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms I imagine there would probably be no clash with our principles in the case of CC-BY so long as the copyright owner was happy with our system for attribution. BY-SA 4.0 looks like it clashes with the ODbl due to its coverage of Copyright-like Rights. Agreed. CC-BY is probably compatible but CC-BY-SA definitely isn't as it restricts the license for produced works more than ODbL does (to ones that are like BY-SA). Is it possible to have a BY-SA 4.0 Produced Work? It's possible to give a produced work derived from OSM any license you like (if that's what you mean?) so long as it retains OSM's attribution. Including all rights reserved. Which is exactly why BY-SA data can't be imported or used in OSM. HTH, Jonathan -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] About CC-4.0 and ODbl
On 03/10/13 04:32 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 02/10/13 18:59, Rob Myers wrote: Is it possible to have a BY-SA 4.0 Produced Work? It's possible to give a produced work derived from OSM any license you like (if that's what you mean?) so long as it retains OSM's attribution. Including all rights reserved. But doesn't BY-SA claim to cover the database rights? Doesn't that clash with the ODbL? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] About CC-4.0 and ODbl
On 01/10/13 03:48 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 01/10/13 06:01, Stephan Knauss wrote: On 01.10.2013 06:28, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Questions: Is CC-BY-4.0 compatible with OSM current license (ODbl)? If data is released under CC-BY-4.0: can we import it to OSM? To my understanding not even ODbL would be suitable for import into OSM. To be suitable for OSM it must conform with the contributor terms which allow a future license change. That applies to data added by individual contributors, but the OSMF can allow imports under other terms. See the preamble to http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms I imagine there would probably be no clash with our principles in the case of CC-BY so long as the copyright owner was happy with our system for attribution. BY-SA 4.0 looks like it clashes with the ODbl due to its coverage of Copyright-like Rights. Is it possible to have a BY-SA 4.0 Produced Work? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] About CC-4.0 and ODbl
Stephan, Do you mean that future OSM license changes? Pekka ps. NLSFI data is not compatible with OSM license, but we can use it part of OSM. --- Pekka Sarkola - pekka.sark...@gispo.fi - www.paikkatieto.com --- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Stephan Knauss [mailto:o...@stephans-server.de] Lähetetty: 1. lokakuuta 2013 8:01 Vastaanottaja: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Aihe: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] About CC-4.0 and ODbl On 01.10.2013 06:28, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Questions: Is CC-BY-4.0 compatible with OSM current license (ODbl)? If data is released under CC-BY-4.0: can we import it to OSM? To my understanding not even ODbL would be suitable for import into OSM. To be suitable for OSM it must conform with the contributor terms which allow a future license change. Stephan ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] About CC-4.0 and ODbl
On 01/10/13 06:01, Stephan Knauss wrote: On 01.10.2013 06:28, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Questions: Is CC-BY-4.0 compatible with OSM current license (ODbl)? If data is released under CC-BY-4.0: can we import it to OSM? To my understanding not even ODbL would be suitable for import into OSM. To be suitable for OSM it must conform with the contributor terms which allow a future license change. That applies to data added by individual contributors, but the OSMF can allow imports under other terms. See the preamble to http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms I imagine there would probably be no clash with our principles in the case of CC-BY so long as the copyright owner was happy with our system for attribution. J. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] About CC-4.0 and ODbl
Dear Friends, Finnish Government is preparing their general open data license. Now there is period of public discussion about new guidelines. You can also participate: http://www.jhs-suositukset.fi/web/guest/news/palautepyynto-avointen-tietoain eistojen-kayttolupa. Yes, It is in Finnish. Maybe difficult to understand ;-) However, basic rule will be that all Finnish public data sets should be licensed under CC-BY-4.0. They can also use CC0, if necessary. National Land Survey of Finland's topographic datasets are already released with OSM compatible data license. But there is more data sets coming from municipalities and other gov agencies (like address data) which we can use to make OSM better. Questions: Is CC-BY-4.0 compatible with OSM current license (ODbl)? If data is released under CC-BY-4.0: can we import it to OSM? Rgs, Pekka ps. CC-4.0 license draft is here: http://staging.creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/legalcode -- Pekka Sarkola Gispo Oy mailto:pekka.sark...@gispo.fi pekka.sark...@gispo.fi - GSM +358 40 725 2042 http://www.gispo.fi www.gispo.fi - http://www.paikkatieto.com www.paikkatieto.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] About CC-4.0 and ODbl
On 01.10.2013 06:28, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Questions: Is CC-BY-4.0 compatible with OSM current license (ODbl)? If data is released under CC-BY-4.0: can we import it to OSM? To my understanding not even ODbL would be suitable for import into OSM. To be suitable for OSM it must conform with the contributor terms which allow a future license change. Stephan ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
