Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing a combined OSM adapted and CC-BY derived work

[Simon Poole]

Am 23.11.2015 um 03:06 schrieb Andrew Harvey:
> I consume OSM data, adapt it for my needs by adjusting OSM geometries
> to match CC-BY licensed aerial imagery, and then publish the result
> publicly.
>
>
Are you -actually- doing this or would like to it or is this a thought
experiment?



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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing a combined OSM adapted and CC-BY derived work

[Andrew Harvey]

Yes I'm actually doing it. On beyondtracks.com I take OSM geometries and
adapted them into walking routes. Occasionally I've actually modified these
geometries for better accuracy against the government's CC BY imagery. I
thought this would be okay so long as I comply with both licenses via
attribution and dual licensing of my new work.

If it's okay, then this opens up a problem that my changes can't be
incorporated into OSM which defeats the whole point of the copyleft OSM
licence?
On 23/11/2015 9:33 pm, "Simon Poole"  wrote:

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>
> Am 23.11.2015 um 03:06 schrieb Andrew Harvey:
> > I consume OSM data, adapt it for my needs by adjusting OSM geometries
> > to match CC-BY licensed aerial imagery, and then publish the result
> > publicly.
> >
> >
> Are you -actually- doing this or would like to it or is this a thought
> experiment?
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing a combined OSM adapted and CC-BY derived work

[Andrew Harvey]

On 23 November 2015 at 13:27, Paul Norman  wrote:
> CC BY 3.0 doesn't allow you to do this, as it requires you to impose
> conditions not present in the ODbL.

When I publish my new work, I add all the required attributions and
statements required by the CC-BY 3.0 license (in clause 4B). Are these
the conditions which you refer to? I thought from my CC compliance
side they don't need to be present in the ODbL since I assert them in
addition to the ODbL license as required from the OSM side?

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[OSM-legal-talk] Licensing a combined OSM adapted and CC-BY derived work

[Andrew Harvey]

I consume OSM data, adapt it for my needs by adjusting OSM geometries
to match CC-BY licensed aerial imagery, and then publish the result
publicly.

To comply with the OSM data's ODBL license, my published results
contain a notice that it is "based on data (c) OpenStreetMap
Contributors under the Open Database License
http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright;.

To comply with the CC-BY license, I also add that "In part derived
from [name of work], CC BY 3.0 licensed, [link to work]".

Is this okay?

However "CC BY 2.0, 2.5, and 3.0 are clearly  incompatible, thanks to
the attribution requirements that can't be met."[1] and "It is ... not
clear if the CC 4.0 licenses are compatible ... with the ODbL"[2].

With this in mind my modified data is of no use to OSM since my
improvements can't be reincorporated with OSM?

Is this correct or is there a problem with my logic?

Many thanks.

[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2015-July/008161.html
[2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2015-July/008157.html

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing a combined OSM adapted and CC-BY derived work

[Andrew Harvey]

On 23 November 2015 at 13:06, Andrew Harvey  wrote:
> To comply with the OSM data's ODBL license, my published results
> contain a notice that it is "based on data (c) OpenStreetMap
> Contributors under the Open Database License
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright;.

...and I offer my adapted work under the ODbL.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing a combined OSM adapted and CC-BY derived work

[Paul Norman]

On 11/22/2015 6:19 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:

On 23 November 2015 at 13:06, Andrew Harvey  wrote:

>To comply with the OSM data's ODBL license, my published results
>contain a notice that it is "based on data (c) OpenStreetMap
>Contributors under the Open Database License
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright;.

...and I offer my adapted work under the ODbL.


CC BY 3.0 doesn't allow you to do this, as it requires you to impose 
conditions not present in the ODbL.



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