Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp;amp;amp; the new license

2010-10-07 Thread Ed Avis
Rob Myers r...@... writes:

I'm coming to the conclusion that individual contributor of original 
data to OSM and institutional importer of a third party database 
should be treated differently,

Perhaps... but who gets the power to decide which is which?  You start to
introduce political decisions into the process, with all the accompanying
disadvantages.

I think there is a lot to be said for giving every user, and every contributor,
exactly the same rights to use or contribute to the project under exactly the
same terms, without special privileges for any particular group or organization.

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Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp;amp;amp; the new license

2010-09-29 Thread Frederik Ramm

Ed,

Ed Avis wrote:
And vice versa. I want to import dataset and that's why we cannot use 
license is tail-wagging-dog as well.


Are you saying that any argument based on data imports is irrelevant to the
choice of licence?

What, then, would be an admissible reason for not using licence, in your view?


In my opinion, the license must be chosen according to what's best for 
the project in the long term; short term considerations should not apply.


Admissible reasons for not using license would be, for example, that 
license doesn't work, isn't enforcable, leaves too much doubt, runs 
the risk of sidelining OSM in the long run, or such. We already have 
some data that is not compatible with license is not one of them.


Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp;amp;amp; the new license

2010-09-29 Thread 80n
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

 In my opinion, the license must be chosen according to what's best for the
 project in the long term; short term considerations should not apply.

 Admissible reasons for not using license would be, for example,

... that license doesn't work ...

ODbL has been extensively tested in the courts over many years, how can you
possibly say that it doesn't work?


 ... isn't enforcable ...

OSMF has massive legal resources and an excellent track record of
relentlessly pursuing and enforcing copyright violations, of course ODbL is
enforceable.


 ... leaves too much doubt ...

Legal counsel has advised that ODbL only uses well established and
universally understood legal principles.  It is clear and easy to understand
and contains nothing that is controversial.


 ... runs the risk of sidelining OSM in the long run ...

Everyone is using ODbL, this is mainstream, there's no chance that ODbL
would sideline OSM.


 or such.

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