Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Post-Changeover Attribution

2012-03-06 Thread Rob Myers
On 06/03/12 18:07, Michael Collinson wrote:
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ/ODbL3a. I would like to use
 OpenStreetMap maps. How should I credit you?

I recommend Map tiles copyright OpenStreetMap, licenced CC-BY-SA, as
that works better with BY-SA's requirement of a copyright notice.
Spelling out Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike v3.0 and adding
years to each notice wouldn't hurt either.

I also recommend using the *word* copyright rather than (c), as it is
my understanding that the English word has international legal weight
but the copyright symbol or its ASCII equivalent doesn't.

For offline works, CC recommend this text (sorry for the url):

https://creativecommons.org/choose/non-web-popup?q_1=2q_1=1field_commercial=yfield_derivatives=safield_jurisdiction=field_format=field_worktitle=field_attribute_to_name=field_attribute_to_url=field_sourceurl=field_morepermissionsurl=lang=en_GBn_questions=3

Other than that, the FAQ is excellent but I do obviously recommend
getting someone who IAL to take a look at it. I know that adding endless
boilerplate legal text is bad, but more legal text is better than more
misunderstanding.

- Rob.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Post-Changeover Attribution

2012-03-06 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
 On 06/03/12 18:07, Michael Collinson wrote:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ/ODbL 3a. I would like to use
 OpenStreetMap maps. How should I credit you?

 I recommend Map tiles copyright OpenStreetMap, licenced CC-BY-SA, as
 that works better with BY-SA's requirement of a copyright notice.

BY-SA doesn't require a copyright notice. It requires keeping intact
copyright notices that are provided, as well as license notice. Given
that copyright is automatic, many licensors don't provide the former,
though it may be useful to do so anyway for education. The notices
provided by CC don't include an explicit copyright notice.

 Spelling out Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike v3.0 and adding
 years to each notice wouldn't hurt either.

It seems to me space is at a premium in the corner of a map or a
caption, and spelling out doesn't gain much, but that's just my
opinion.

Just as an experiment in brevity

©OpenStreetMap data ODbL[ tiles BY-SA]

With OpenStreetMap, ODbL, and BY-SA linked to the obvious
places, [] when tiles used.

 I also recommend using the *word* copyright rather than (c), as it is
 my understanding that the English word has international legal weight
 but the copyright symbol or its ASCII equivalent doesn't.

That's the oddest thing I've read today. Really?

 For offline works, CC recommend this text (sorry for the url):

 https://creativecommons.org/choose/non-web-popup?q_1=2q_1=1field_commercial=yfield_derivatives=safield_jurisdiction=field_format=field_worktitle=field_attribute_to_name=field_attribute_to_url=field_sourceurl=field_morepermissionsurl=lang=en_GBn_questions=3

Nobody has ever sent a request for a copy of a license via post,
AFAIK. :) But the full license URL should be provided, not
www.creativecommons.org. Same is true of ODbL which says If
hyperlinks are not possible, You should include the plain text of the
required URI’s with the above notice.

IANALetc
Mike

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Post-Changeover Attribution

2012-03-06 Thread Rob Myers
On 06/03/12 20:30, Mike Linksvayer wrote:
 
 I also recommend using the *word* copyright rather than (c), as it is
 my understanding that the English word has international legal weight
 but the copyright symbol or its ASCII equivalent doesn't.
 
 That's the oddest thing I've read today. Really?

Para 7 here, I may have been wrong about the copyright symbol:

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html

Grepping Berne for the word English doesn't immediately show anything
germane to this however.

 For offline works, CC recommend this text (sorry for the url):

 https://creativecommons.org/choose/non-web-popup?q_1=2q_1=1field_commercial=yfield_derivatives=safield_jurisdiction=field_format=field_worktitle=field_attribute_to_name=field_attribute_to_url=field_sourceurl=field_morepermissionsurl=lang=en_GBn_questions=3
 
 Nobody has ever sent a request for a copy of a license via post,
 AFAIK. :)

Oh I'm disappointed now. :-)

- Rob.

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