Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question on publication of slides with Google and Bing screenshots

2013-09-12 Thread Martin Feuersaenger

On 2013-09-10 20:22, Frederik Ramm wrote:
*Personally*, i.e. if I had to decide, I'd just upload under any 
license

I want and assume that my use of Google/Bing/whatever was fair use.


Thanks Frederik and Martin,

then I guess I'll just go ahead and publish. I thought there might have 
been already some exchange between Google/Bing and some OSMers 
publishing slides, but if there isn't I'll just go along with the fair 
use.


Cheers,
  Martin

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[OSM-legal-talk] Question on publication of slides with Google and Bing screenshots

2013-09-10 Thread Martin Feuersaenger

Hi,

I gave a talk this weekend introducing new mappers to OSM. For this talk 
I prepared a slide set, which includes quite some screenshots of both 
GoogleMaps and Bing Maps as well as some of their aerial imagery, in 
order to compare these services to OSM.


Now I would like to publish this slide set (i.e. put the slides up for 
download) under a license as nonrestrictive as possible.


Skimming through the Google and Microsoft Terms of Use I came to the 
conclusion that it would be ok to publish under a cc-by-sa-nc license 
(the nc seems to be necessary) when I additionally limit the use to 
educational purposes.


To be hones, the license reading was quite confusing and frustrating. I 
couldn't really pull out crystal clear information from these texts.
So my question is: Is my conclusion right, can I publish under less 
restrictive terms, or do I need to remove the shots in order to publish 
at all?


Cheers,
  Martin

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question on publication of slides with Google and Bing screenshots

2013-09-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/9/10 Martin Feuersaenger m...@feuersaenger.de

 So my question is: Is my conclusion right, can I publish under less
 restrictive terms, or do I need to remove the shots in order to publish at
 all?




You should ask Google and Bing about this, it is not related to OSM ;-)

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question on publication of slides with Google and Bing screenshots

2013-09-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

On 10.09.2013 11:20, Martin Feuersaenger wrote:
 To be hones, the license reading was quite confusing and frustrating. I
 couldn't really pull out crystal clear information from these texts.
 So my question is: Is my conclusion right, can I publish under less
 restrictive terms, or do I need to remove the shots in order to publish
 at all?

*Personally*, i.e. if I had to decide, I'd just upload under any license
I want and assume that my use of Google/Bing/whatever was fair use.
The concept of fair use is different in different jurisdictions and
content providers have a history of trying to abolish fair use
altogether (oops, I've quoted a sentence of yours above, do I have to
pay royalties now...). Still, my own working assumption is that if in a
talk about maps I include an example of Google maps then it's fair use
and I'm not bound by their respective license terms.

Bye
Frederik

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