Re: [OSM-legal-talk] produced work vs. derivative db
On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 03:22:56PM +0100, Tadeusz Knapik wrote: Hello, generally the answer to question is it produced work or derivative database? is doesn't really matter, even if it were produced work, you are obliged to published the underlaying derivative database however, on several pages under the use cases wiki page, eg http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Use_Cases#Using_OSM_data_for_the_production_of_a_hand-made_map still set a hard line between produced work and derivative database. Because, simply speaking, the difference is huge, just like between Public Domain (for PW, as long as you contribute OSM) and ODbL (for the derivative database, if there is any). Bear in mind there's a possibility that there's no underlaying derivative database, but PW is made directly from OSM data. during the process, there is always a derivative DB, be in only in RAM or any other form. it does not matter if the process is done in one or thow shell scripts. And other PW is based on the first PW... I feel the ODbL/PW licence thing is more a dogma than a law, but still it should be a well defined dogma :) Sincerely, Tadeusz ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk -- michal palenik www.freemap.sk www.oma.sk http://wiki.freemap.sk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] produced work vs. derivative db
I've tried to put extra information on several wiki pages: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Produced_Work_-_Guideline http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Use_Cases#When_is_something_a_Derivative_Database_when_is_it_a_Produced_Work_and_can_it_be_both (please check the wording) generally the answer to question is it produced work or derivative database? is doesn't really matter, even if it were produced work, you are obliged to published the underlaying derivative database however, on several pages under the use cases wiki page, eg http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Use_Cases#Using_OSM_data_for_the_production_of_a_hand-made_map still set a hard line between produced work and derivative database. michal On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 08:15:57PM +0100, Michal Palenik wrote: may i add a question into faq/use cases: Q: I want to publish a slippy map/printed map based on OSM data. Is it a produced work or derivated database? A: The slippy map itself is a produced work, however the database you used has to meet the same requirements as published derived database or a collective database. In other words, publishing this produced work implies that you have the same obligations as when publishing the database itself. or a better wording. which would clarify the odbl-ty of the data. On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 05:15:04PM +, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 04/03/13 16:53, Michal Palenik wrote: after reading all the documents/wiki/mailinglist I am still confused: what forces producers to publish a derivative database and not just produced work? Clause 4.6 of the ODbL, which says if you publish a produced work you must make the database it was produced from available. usecase: a user takes a substantial part of osm db, hand modifies it (eg changes name of a street to correct one, make a new hiking route ...) and then publishes it as an online tilemap/printed map. claiming it to be a produced work under a commercial licence. is it a produced work? The online tilemap and printed map are a produced work. is it also a derivative database? (if so, which odbl clause kicks in to state this?) The database is a derivative database as defined in the definitions section. Correcting names and adding hiking routes which connect with OSM's data is exactly the sort of data the share-alike clause is intended to capture. thanks michal HTH! Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk -- michal palenik www.freemap.sk www.oma.sk http://wiki.freemap.sk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk -- michal palenik www.freemap.sk www.oma.sk http://wiki.freemap.sk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] produced work vs. derivative db
after reading all the documents/wiki/mailinglist I am still confused: what forces producers to publish a derivative database and not just produced work? usecase: a user takes a substantial part of osm db, hand modifies it (eg changes name of a street to correct one, make a new hiking route ...) and then publishes it as an online tilemap/printed map. claiming it to be a produced work under a commercial licence. is it a produced work? is it also a derivative database? (if so, which odbl clause kicks in to state this?) thanks michal -- michal palenik www.freemap.sk www.oma.sk http://wiki.freemap.sk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] produced work vs. derivative db
On 04/03/13 16:53, Michal Palenik wrote: after reading all the documents/wiki/mailinglist I am still confused: what forces producers to publish a derivative database and not just produced work? Clause 4.6 of the ODbL, which says if you publish a produced work you must make the database it was produced from available. usecase: a user takes a substantial part of osm db, hand modifies it (eg changes name of a street to correct one, make a new hiking route ...) and then publishes it as an online tilemap/printed map. claiming it to be a produced work under a commercial licence. is it a produced work? The online tilemap and printed map are a produced work. is it also a derivative database? (if so, which odbl clause kicks in to state this?) The database is a derivative database as defined in the definitions section. Correcting names and adding hiking routes which connect with OSM's data is exactly the sort of data the share-alike clause is intended to capture. thanks michal HTH! Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] produced work vs. derivative db
may i add a question into faq/use cases: Q: I want to publish a slippy map/printed map based on OSM data. Is it a produced work or derivated database? A: The slippy map itself is a produced work, however the database you used has to meet the same requirements as published derived database or a collective database. In other words, publishing this produced work implies that you have the same obligations as when publishing the database itself. or a better wording. which would clarify the odbl-ty of the data. On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 05:15:04PM +, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 04/03/13 16:53, Michal Palenik wrote: after reading all the documents/wiki/mailinglist I am still confused: what forces producers to publish a derivative database and not just produced work? Clause 4.6 of the ODbL, which says if you publish a produced work you must make the database it was produced from available. usecase: a user takes a substantial part of osm db, hand modifies it (eg changes name of a street to correct one, make a new hiking route ...) and then publishes it as an online tilemap/printed map. claiming it to be a produced work under a commercial licence. is it a produced work? The online tilemap and printed map are a produced work. is it also a derivative database? (if so, which odbl clause kicks in to state this?) The database is a derivative database as defined in the definitions section. Correcting names and adding hiking routes which connect with OSM's data is exactly the sort of data the share-alike clause is intended to capture. thanks michal HTH! Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk -- michal palenik www.freemap.sk www.oma.sk http://wiki.freemap.sk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
