Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[Edward K. Ream]

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:31 AM gar  wrote:

> for me this worked only with docks on linux
> very strange, now it works well
> I did git update since then, maybe that helped
>

One of life's mysteries.  No harm done.

Edward

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[gar]

for me this worked only with docks on linux
very strange, now it works well
I did git update since then, maybe that helped

воскресенье, 22 сентября 2019 г., 14:49:01 UTC+3 пользователь Edward K. 
Ream написал:
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:52:08 AM UTC-5, gar wrote:
>
> > Leo's main window cannot be resized less then some height - which is an 
> issue on low-resolution screens
>
> On both Linux and Windows I can resize the screen so the main window is 
> only a few pixels in height and width.  Afaik, #1339 
>  is not needed. 
>
> What platform are you talking about?  Do you see a limit on either Linux 
> or Windows?
>
> Edward
>

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[Edward K. Ream]

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:52:08 AM UTC-5, gar wrote:

> Leo's main window cannot be resized less then some height - which is an 
issue on low-resolution screens

On both Linux and Windows I can resize the screen so the main window is 
only a few pixels in height and width.  Afaik, #1339 
 is not needed. 

What platform are you talking about?  Do you see a limit on either Linux or 
Windows?

Edward

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[Edward K. Ream]

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 6:37 PM lewis  wrote:

> I was able to move my Render pane around for a preferred layout, but
> recently it has become fixed at the bottom edge.
> What setting do I need to change to allow movement?
>

Start Leo with --init-docks.

Edward

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[lewis]

I was able to move my Render pane around for a preferred layout, but 
recently it has become fixed at the bottom edge.
What setting do I need to change to allow movement?

Thanks
Lewis

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[Edward K. Ream]

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 11:39 AM Matt Wilkie  wrote:

> Is there a way to save and then share layouts? (across .leo files, across
> people)
>

Not really.  One could try to share caches, but that's probably a bridge
too far.

Edward

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[Edward K. Ream]

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 11:28 AM Chris George  wrote:

> It seems to me that a sane default would be the standard three pane
> arrangement.
>
> Large body on right, outline on upper left and tabs dock on lower left.
> Make @bool dockable-log-tabs = True and nest the rest of the default docks
> as part of tabs.
>

Afaik, this already is the default.

Edward

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[Edward K. Ream]

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 11:04 AM Matt Wilkie  wrote:

> Gar makes an important point. The first experience of the new docks ui is
startling and somewhat alarming, especially for people who already know
Leo.

I agree.  I've already created some new issues related to this, and I may
create more.

Edward

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[Chris George]

Hmmm, it seems to me that what I have going to make my preferred two dock
UI (particular non-default settings, nested docks galore) could be
incorporated into a .leo file and then bundled with a ~/.leo/db directory
but it isn't something that would be easy to install.

Chris

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 9:39 AM Matt Wilkie  wrote:

> Is there a way to save and then share layouts? (across .leo files, across
> people)
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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[Matt Wilkie]

Is there a way to save and then share layouts? (across .leo files, across 
people)

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[Chris George]

It seems to me that a sane default would be the standard three pane 
arrangement.

Large body on right, outline on upper left and tabs dock on lower left. 
Make @bool dockable-log-tabs = True and nest the rest of the default docks 
as part of tabs.

I use body as my central dock so this may not work for the default which is 
outline as the central dock.

Chris

On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 9:04:17 AM UTC-7, Matt Wilkie wrote:
>
>
> since leo 6.1 is not released yet and there's a time to make changes I 
>> want to report some problems 
>> first of all I discovered some huge ui problems:
>>
>
> Gar makes an important point. The first experience of the new docks ui is 
> startling and somewhat alarming, especially for people who already know 
> Leo. It looks confused and messy, and the path to something more 
> comfortable is not immediately obvious. 
>
> I don't have any concrete suggestions for how to make it better. I'm still 
> trying to figure out what my own "path to something more comfortable" is 
> ;-).
>
> -matt
>

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[Matt Wilkie]

> since leo 6.1 is not released yet and there's a time to make changes I 
> want to report some problems 
> first of all I discovered some huge ui problems:
>

Gar makes an important point. The first experience of the new docks ui is 
startling and somewhat alarming, especially for people who already know 
Leo. It looks confused and messy, and the path to something more 
comfortable is not immediately obvious. 

I don't have any concrete suggestions for how to make it better. I'm still 
trying to figure out what my own "path to something more comfortable" is 
;-).

-matt

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[Edward K. Ream]

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 9:59 AM gar  wrote:

Thanks for that. And please do not dismiss '--no-dock' - it's the only
> escape for me now.
>

--no-dock will remain for what passes for "forever" in Leo's world :-)

Edward

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[gar]

Thanks for that. And please do not dismiss '--no-dock' - it's the only 
escape for me now.

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[Edward K. Ream]

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:52 AM gar  wrote:

- when leo is started - all aux panes (like tasks, tags, spells etc) is
> shown
> - additional 'tabs' pane always tries to place 'nav' plugin's window under
> itself - but it also can be placed independently and then in such a case
> when user hits ctrl-shit-f tabs' one is shot but actual work is done in
> independent one, and user sees nothing; to see the progress and results
> user need to manually switch to another 'nav' window
> - leo's main window cannot be resized less then some height - which is an
> issue on low-resolution screens
> - 'tabs' pane purpose is unclear - it can place under itself plugin's
> windows but they also can be placed by their own and which one is actually
> a subject one?
>

This generality is needed to support pyzo in Leo.

> - leo's main window cannot be resized less then some height - which is an
issue on low-resolution screens

I've just created #1339
 and #1340
for gui issues.  The
most serious issue is #1327
.  I believe it
applies only to devel.

In general, though, Leo's dock widgets don't seem particularly clumsy to
use.  There haven't been a lot of complaints.  Using --no-dock is going to
remain indefinitely.

Edward

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[gar]

I returned to old ui ('--no-dock') because of that
New UI forces me to make too many extra unnecessary mouse hits

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Re: leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[gar]

leo 6.0 final from official pip distro suffers the same issues too

- when leo is started - all aux panes (like tasks, tags, spells etc) is 
> shown 
> - additional 'tabs' pane always tries to place 'nav' plugin's window under 
> itself - but it also can be placed independently and then in such a case 
> when user hits ctrl-shit-f tabs' one is shot but actual work is done in 
> independent one, and user sees nothing; to see the progress and results 
> user need to manually switch to another 'nav' window
> - 'tabs' pane purpose is unclear - it can place under itself plugin's 
> windows but they also can be placed by their own and which one is actually 
> a subject one?
>

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leo 6.1 user expirience issues

[gar]

since leo 6.1 is not released yet and there's a time to make changes I want 
to report some problems 

first of all I discovered some huge ui problems:
- when leo is started - all aux panes (like tasks, tags, spells etc) is 
shown 
- additional 'tabs' pane always tries to place 'nav' plugin's window under 
itself - but it also can be placed independently and then in such a case 
when user hits ctrl-shit-f tabs' one is shot but actual work is done in 
independent one, and user sees nothing; to see the progress and results 
user need to manually switch to another 'nav' window
- leo's main window cannot be resized less then some height - which is an 
issue on low-resolution screens
- 'tabs' pane purpose is unclear - it can place under itself plugin's 
windows but they also can be placed by their own and which one is actually 
a subject one?

by the way which leo's version can be recommended as stable one? from 
master branch?

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