[lfs-support] Best Linux Version for LFS?
I recently put together my personal computer for general purposes, but also to play around with various Linux versions and LFS. It's a fairly high end machine with a near-top Intel Core7 processor, 32G of memory and plenty of space in the case for extra hard drives. Currently I have Windows7 installed on a 180G SSD, as well as several 1-3TB hard drives. What would be a good hardware setup for playing around with LFS, BLSF and so forth, in terms of more hard drives? How about Linux versions? Are there any good resources that discuss these things? I understand that asking about Linux versions can generate a lot of discussion, but I'd like to know from you guys who play with this all the time what your idea of a nice setup would be. Things like number of hard drives where one or more Linuxes live, partitioning and so on. Thanks, Alan -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Best Linux Version for LFS?
Feuerbacher, Alan wrote: I recently put together my personal computer for general purposes, but also to play around with various Linux versions and LFS. It's a fairly high end machine with a near-top Intel Core7 processor, 32G of memory and plenty of space in the case for extra hard drives. Currently I have Windows7 installed on a 180G SSD, as well as several 1-3TB hard drives. A waste of HW. What would be a good hardware setup for playing around with LFS, BLSF and so forth, in terms of more hard drives? How about Linux versions? Are there any good resources that discuss these things? I understand that asking about Linux versions can generate a lot of discussion, but I'd like to know from you guys who play with this all the time what your idea of a nice setup would be. Things like number of hard drives where one or more Linuxes live, partitioning and so on. Compared to what you have, LFS/BLFS takes very few resources. Just a few partitions: I have: /12G ( 6G free) /home37G (28G free) /boot 100M (27M free) /opt 17G (11G free) /usr/src 46G (17F free) /mnt/lfs 9G ( 7G free) and a swap partition. Of course most of this could be combined into one or perhaps two partitions, but separating things out is useful for testing multiple builds. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Best Linux Version for LFS?
Bruce Dubbs wrote: Currently I have Windows7 installed on a 180G SSD, as well as several 1-3TB hard drives. A waste of HW. Why? I use one big drive for audio and video stuff, another for general backups, and want yet another to put the Linuxes on. The separate one for Linux is for convenience if I want to remove all of it easily. Am I not seeing something? And I'm enough pissed off at Windows7 right now that I'm seriously thinking of getting rid of it and sticking with some version of Linux. Compared to what you have, LFS/BLFS takes very few resources. Just a few partitions: . . . Of course most of this could be combined into one or perhaps two partitions, but separating things out is useful for testing multiple builds. That's kind of what I thought. I'd like to try out Debian, Ubuntu and Linux Mint as a start, and perhaps others as I gain experience. Does it matter which of these I end up with for LFS purposes? Is one more friendly to LFS than others? Alan -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Best Linux Version for LFS?
Feuerbacher, Alan wrote: Bruce Dubbs wrote: Currently I have Windows7 installed on a 180G SSD, as well as several 1-3TB hard drives. A waste of HW. Why? I use one big drive for audio and video stuff, another for general backups, and want yet another to put the Linuxes on. The separate one for Linux is for convenience if I want to remove all of it easily. Am I not seeing something? And I'm enough pissed off at Windows7 right now that I'm seriously thinking of getting rid of it and sticking with some version of Linux. I was referring to Windows. Compared to what you have, LFS/BLFS takes very few resources. Just a few partitions: . . . Of course most of this could be combined into one or perhaps two partitions, but separating things out is useful for testing multiple builds. That's kind of what I thought. I'd like to try out Debian, Ubuntu and Linux Mint as a start, and perhaps others as I gain experience. Does it matter which of these I end up with for LFS purposes? Is one more friendly to LFS than others? Not really. You just need to be able to satisfy the Host System Requirements in Section iii of the Preface. My experience with Ubuntu is mixed. The earlier versions, 8.04, etc were OK, but the latest ones with Unity were slow and had too much eye candy. I've not looked at any recently. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Best Linux Version for LFS?
Bruce Dubbs wrote: A waste of HW. . . . I was referring to Windows. Oh. :-) My experience with Ubuntu is mixed. The earlier versions, 8.04, etc were OK, but the latest ones with Unity were slow and had too much eye candy. I've not looked at any recently. What do you and other LFS developers tend to use? Alan -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Best Linux Version for LFS?
Feuerbacher, Alan wrote: Bruce Dubbs wrote: A waste of HW. . . . I was referring to Windows. Oh. :-) My experience with Ubuntu is mixed. The earlier versions, 8.04, etc were OK, but the latest ones with Unity were slow and had too much eye candy. I've not looked at any recently. What do you and other LFS developers tend to use? LFS :) -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Best Linux Version for LFS?
Bruce Dubbs wrote: What do you and other LFS developers tend to use? LFS :) LOL! Now that you've bootstrapped yourselves, you stick with it. :-) Thanks for your help. Alan -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Best Linux Version for LFS?
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 04:57:15PM +, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote: Bruce Dubbs wrote: What do you and other LFS developers tend to use? LFS :) LOL! Now that you've bootstrapped yourselves, you stick with it. :-) Thanks for your help. Alan For my development systems (two desktops, ech with a 500GB disk) I use 8 GB each for '/' partitions (six of them) - some people might find that space a bit small, but all my sources are on an nfs mount from my server, and a *full* LFS-7.2 desktop build is only using 58% of a system fs after two rounds of firefox updates. Also swap (varying amounts - I keep hoping to play with s2ram and s2disk, although there isn't much need on a desktop), /boot [ I've wasted 1GB for that on the current disk, but I put it on the inside of the disk (sda15) - slow, but only accessed when I boot and when I save a new kernel]. On the current box (used for photo editing when I have the time) /home is 60GB and theoretically backed up (i.e. it gets backed up 4 times a day if the box is up, but I'm not convinced that my backups can accomodate 60GB for it :) The rest of the space is at /scratch and used for development builds / testing package builds, git pulls from a few projects, and AV processing (more so on the other box). There are lots of different ways to partition. With distros, the things you need to watch out for are: Living on the bleeding edge (you might like it, but from time to time it will break) vs using antiquated versions. All distros think they own /boot : this will make updating kernels fun if more than one distro (or LFS+distro) is involved. Distros use different user numbers (debian-derived distros probably use similar numbers, redhat/fedora-derived distros use a different set of similar numbers), and have their own ideas about which group(s) users belong in - this occasionally creates some amusement when you share /home. ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Best Linux Version for LFS?
Em 10-10-2012 13:33, Bruce Dubbs escreveu: Feuerbacher, Alan wrote: I'd like to try out Debian, Ubuntu and Linux Mint as a start, and perhaps others as I gain experience. Does it matter which of these I end up with for LFS purposes? Is one more friendly to LFS than others? Not really. You just need to be able to satisfy the Host System Requirements in Section iii of the Preface. This point is very important and often underestimated by LFS beginners (myself included, when started with LFS). My experience with Ubuntu is mixed. The earlier versions, 8.04, etc were OK, but the latest ones with Unity were slow and had too much eye candy. I've not looked at any recently. -- Bruce For newcomers from Windows, especially XP, I find LXDE very good and fast: Lubuntu (based on Ubuntu, but fortunately without Unity) is ready for it. Some other distributions have LXDE live CDs, too, ready to install. Many well-know distributions allow LXDE to be installed from their repositories, and then one can use LXDE session, instead of default. I have installed it in Ubuntu, only when I cannot find a particular program, I restart a Ubuntu in Unity, to search it. I have a notebook (Intel I5) running Ubuntu Unity, just to get used to it eventually, but LXDE is there installed, too. After selecting for the first time, automatically or after a short dialogue, it becomes default. Recently, I replaced an old Mint LXDE (LXDE live CD is discontinued by Mint) by newer Mint Cinnamon, quite liked it, but after having problems with the panel, I installed LXDE from the repositories, and it is running OK. For my personal use I stay almost 100% of the time with LFS. -- []s, Fernando -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Best Linux Version for LFS?
Ken Moffat wrote:
All distros think they own /boot : this will make updating kernels
fun if more than one distro (or LFS+distro) is involved.
Making a backup of /boot/grub/grub.cfg is generally all that's needed.
Alternatively, I don't bother with other distros much any more. If I
do, I can use kvm so they don't mess with *my* system.
Distros use different user numbers (debian-derived distros probably
use similar numbers, redhat/fedora-derived distros use a different
set of similar numbers), and have their own ideas about which
group(s) users belong in - this occasionally creates some amusement
when you share /home.
Generally 'sudo vi /etc/passwd' works for that. Even better,
mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/lfs
sudo cp /mnt/lfs/etc/{passwd,group} /etc
Will do the trick too. :)
-- Bruce
--
http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support
FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html
Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Best Linux Version for LFS?
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:31:31 +0100 Ken Moffat zarniwh...@ntlworld.com wrote: All distros think they own /boot : this will make updating kernels fun if more than one distro (or LFS+distro) is involved. Not only that, but most believe they also own the master boot record. Some are even very proactive in repartitioning the hard-drive to make it conform to their idea of the world. Pro tip: If your MBR ever gets blown off, it is relatively easily fixed. First, you should make a copy of it and store this copy somewhere safe (far from the HDD under risk). dd if=/dev/sda of=copy_of_MBR bs=512 count=1 Then, if the MBR gets destroyed, copy the MBR back. dd if=copy_of_MBR of=/dev/sda conv=notrunc It also possible to reconstruct the MBR without this but it is much more difficult. -- Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
