Re: [libdbi-users] [libdbi-devel] driver issues and timezones
Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > While we're at it: how do other developers and users feel about > > moving libdbi > > development to subversion? Is it worth the hassle? > > > Assuming I'm included in "other": My vote is yes, I'd feel more > comfortable with Svn. > As you brought up the issue, I was assuming you'd vote for Subversion anyway, but thanks for clarifying your vote again. regards, Markus -- Markus Hoenicka [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with "mhoenicka") http://www.mhoenicka.de - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ libdbi-users mailing list libdbi-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/libdbi-users
Re: [libdbi-users] [libdbi-devel] driver issues and timezones
On 12-Feb-07, at 3:38 AM, Markus Hoenicka wrote: > Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > >> I wish Sourceforge would deprecate tarballs entirely and just use Svn >> tags. It seems (from another project I'm on, at least) that the >> tarball is always woefully out of date. >> >> My advice - go ahead and make a new release. >> > > Well, we'd have to move to subversion first in order to make use of > SVN tags. > > I'm afraid that "releasing" SVN tags instead of tarballs will deter > end-users > who just need to satisfy some application dependency. A tarball is > something > familiar to non-technical Unix/Linux users, whereas subversion is > not. Package > maintainers are also used to build from tarball releases. Besides, > if I find > the time to bless a subversion revision with a stable tag, most of > the work is > done anyway. I can just as well build the tarball and upload it. > This takes > just another cup of coffee's amount of time. Mostly agreed. The other project's problem might be that the process of preparing the tarball is not documented and is done by one guy; also there is a trickle of commits, so somebody has to decide when a release is appropriate. The last tarball happened to be made at a very bad time (and was not updated yet), so this decision process failed us. Infrequent tarballs mean that, as I said, they're ridiculously out of date with respect to trunk. (libdbi seems more in "maintenance" than new development or frantic bugfixing, so it's not really the same case as that project.) I stopped using tarballs in my own projects some time ago, it was only a source of problems. > While we're at it: how do other developers and users feel about > moving libdbi > development to subversion? Is it worth the hassle? Assuming I'm included in "other": My vote is yes, I'd feel more comfortable with Svn. In answer to Claudiu: > Why don't you release SVN tags and make tarballs, also? It's a good > idea > to have a tag in SVN... ie: if you want to make a quick diff from the > previous release version to trunk? Tag *must* be done when a tarball is made, I don't see that as optional. --Toby > > regards, > Markus > > > -- > Markus Hoenicka > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with "mhoenicka") > http://www.mhoenicka.de > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ libdbi-users mailing list libdbi-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/libdbi-users
Re: [libdbi-users] [libdbi-devel] driver issues and timezones
Claudiu Cismaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Why don't you release SVN tags and make tarballs, also? This is actually what I meant. I'm sorry if my message was a bit unclear. regards, Markus -- Markus Hoenicka [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with "mhoenicka") http://www.mhoenicka.de - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ libdbi-users mailing list libdbi-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/libdbi-users
Re: [libdbi-users] [libdbi-devel] driver issues and timezones
> I'm afraid that "releasing" SVN tags instead of tarballs will deter > end-users who just need to satisfy some application dependency. A > tarball is something familiar to non-technical Unix/Linux users, > whereas subversion is not. Package maintainers are also used to build > from tarball releases. Besides, if I find the time to bless a > subversion revision with a stable tag, most of the work is done > anyway. I can just as well build the tarball and upload it. This > takes just another cup of coffee's amount of time. Why don't you release SVN tags and make tarballs, also? It's a good idea to have a tag in SVN... ie: if you want to make a quick diff from the previous release version to trunk? -- Claudiu Cismaru GPG Key: http://maya.cnixs.com/~claudiu/claudiu.gpg pgpiAbOBajxV6.pgp Description: PGP signature - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642___ libdbi-users mailing list libdbi-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/libdbi-users
Re: [libdbi-users] [libdbi-devel] driver issues and timezones
Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > I wish Sourceforge would deprecate tarballs entirely and just use Svn > tags. It seems (from another project I'm on, at least) that the > tarball is always woefully out of date. > > My advice - go ahead and make a new release. > Well, we'd have to move to subversion first in order to make use of SVN tags. I'm afraid that "releasing" SVN tags instead of tarballs will deter end-users who just need to satisfy some application dependency. A tarball is something familiar to non-technical Unix/Linux users, whereas subversion is not. Package maintainers are also used to build from tarball releases. Besides, if I find the time to bless a subversion revision with a stable tag, most of the work is done anyway. I can just as well build the tarball and upload it. This takes just another cup of coffee's amount of time. While we're at it: how do other developers and users feel about moving libdbi development to subversion? Is it worth the hassle? regards, Markus -- Markus Hoenicka [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with "mhoenicka") http://www.mhoenicka.de - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ libdbi-users mailing list libdbi-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/libdbi-users
Re: [libdbi-users] [libdbi-devel] driver issues and timezones
On 11-Feb-07, at 9:08 PM, Mike Rylander wrote: > Continuing this long-dormant thread, I want to thank the libdbi core > team for the help and support in getting basic ISO timezone support > into the code base. It has helped the Evergreen[1] project immensely, > as we wouldn't have a fast and stable database connector without it. > > We are now relying on the code in CVS for our production services at > PINES[2], and we're getting a good deal of outside interest and test > implementations. As such, we're pulling libdbi from CVS when we need > to build a new server, and we're advising others to do the same. As > you can imagine, this is less than optimal for sites that are short on > time or expertise, and gives a feeling (at least to those uninitiated > with open source) of bleeding-edge requirements that can turn less > experimental potential users off. > > So, with that, I'd like to see what the general feeling of the > community would be to releasing a new tarball for the current > codebase. As I mentioned, we're currently using this heavily in > production and we are extremely happy with the performance and > stability. I'm not sure if any other projects have adopted or tested > the current code, but as far as the timezone support goes, it is very > stable in our use. > > Is it time for 0.8.2? I wish Sourceforge would deprecate tarballs entirely and just use Svn tags. It seems (from another project I'm on, at least) that the tarball is always woefully out of date. My advice - go ahead and make a new release. --Toby > > TIA > > [1] http://open-ils.org > [2] http://gapines.org and http://www.georgialibraries.org > > UPDATE: While looking at the code I notices that one of my original > debugging fprintf's managed to hang around. Attached is a patch that > comments out that one line, and does nothing else. It's probably just > as easy for someone to go in and remove all the fprintf lines, > commented out or not, since they're not needed at all, AFAICS. Thanks > again! > > -- > Mike Rylander > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > GPLS -- PINES Development > Database Developer > http://open-ils.org > > > On 5/16/06, Mike Rylander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 5/16/06, Markus Hoenicka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Mike Rylander writes: >> > > I've attached a patch against my local copy of the new file, >> so it >> > > should patch CVS with out too much of a fight. I've added a >> little >> > > logic to look for a ':' minute separator in the -8:00 >> format. It >> > > compiles and runs for me, so please give it a whirl and make >> sure it >> > > passes muster. >> > > >> > >> > The patch works as advertized. However, I felt the same could be >> > achieved with less code, and I started to reimplement the timezone >> > handling by reversing the logic. Checking for a separator first >> allows >> > a cleaner implementation imho. I've checked in the code, a patch >> > against the pre-timezone dbd_helper.c is attached. Please check >> > whether the current implementation works ok for your testcases. >> >> The patch works perfectly, and the logic is definitely more readable >> now. Thanks again! >> >> > >> > regards, >> > Markus >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Markus Hoenicka >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with "mhoenicka") >> > http://www.mhoenicka.de >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Mike Rylander >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> GPLS -- PINES Development >> Database Developer >> http://open-ils.org >> >> > -- > --- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier. > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642__ > _ > libdbi-devel mailing list > libdbi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/libdbi-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ libdbi-users mailing list libdbi-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/libdbi-users
