Re: [liberationtech] liberationtech Digest, Vol 231, Issue 1

2015-01-28 Thread Kristian Simsarian
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   1. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (hellekin)
   2. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (marietta le)
   3. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (Douglas Bagnall)
   4. The missing tech between TBB , Whoonix and Tails
  (Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) - lists)
   5. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (ma...@wk3.org)
   6. Re: The missing tech between TBB ,Whoonix and Tails
  (Eduardo Robles Elvira)
   7. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (Amin Sabeti)
   8. Re: The missing tech between TBB ,Whoonix and Tails
  (Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) - lists)
   9. Re: The missing tech between TBB ,Whoonix and Tails
  (Nathan of Guardian)
  10. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (Jens Kubieziel)
  11. 3D Printing Prosthetics: A conversation with JonSchulland
  JeremySimon of e-NABLE (January 22,2015 | 10:00-11:00 am EST)
  (Nick Martin)
  12. Internet repression continues in Cuba (Myself)
  13. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (Griffin Boyce)
  14. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform
  (Andr?s Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes)
  15. CAMRI seminar 28/1: Clint Burnham on Slavoj ?i?ek and the
  Internet (Christian Fuchs)
  16. Re: CAMRI seminar 28/1: Clint Burnham on Slavoj ?i?ek and the
  Internet (Travis Biehn)
  17. Computational Epidemiology: The role of big data and
  pervasive * 4:15PM, Wed January 21, 2015 in Gates B03 (Yosem Companys)
  18. UC Berkeley CITRIS Research Exchange for theSpring is now
  online (Yosem Companys)
  19. [SPAM:] [SPAM:###] Davos 2015 takes aim at the future of
  the internet (and cyber-security) (Andrea St)
  20. mySociety's new $3.6M investment from Omidyar Network, seeks
  to grow Poplus civic tech collaboration (Steven Clift)
  21. Stanford Liberationtech Seminar: Will revolutionbe tweeted?
  - Jan 29 (Yosem Companys)
  22. CfP - International Journal of Communication Special Issue -
  (Un)civil Society in Digital China (Jiang, Min)
  23. Net neutrality case in Slovenia (Mitar)
  24. Re: Net neutrality case in Slovenia (Rejo Zenger)
  25. Testers sought for PassLok privacy (Francisco Ruiz)
  26. Teknokultura Journal - latest issue (Javier de Rivera)
  27. Call ESA 2015 Conference: ?Critical Media Sociology Today?
  (Christian Fuchs)
  28. The Future of Security Journalism (J.M. Porup)
  29. Re: The Future of Security Journalism (Eleanor Saitta)
  30. Re: The Future of Security Journalism (J.M. Porup)
  31. Free TechChange-USAID Course: How To Use Mobile Data
  Solutions for Better Development Outcomes (Nick Martin)
  32. Marisol Sandoval: From Corporate to Social Media (CAMRI
  Seminar Feb 4) (Christian Fuchs)
  33. Open Data Day Micro Grants - ODD is Feb 21st (Steven Clift)
  34. Re: Iranian are bypass the Twitter censorship and sanction by
  their mobile phones (Collin Anderson)
 
 
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 On 01/18/2015 11:16 AM, Andr?s Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote:
 Is there such a thing? Reliable? Skype sucks, and it is a Microsoft product
 now (too flickery, etc.), and I don't know of others..
 *** Tox (https://tox.im/) is a promising alternative to Jitsi and
 XMPP/SIP.  It specifically aims at replacing Skype.  Still early, but
 already impressive.
 
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Re: [liberationtech] liberationtech Digest, Vol 231, Issue 1

2015-01-28 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 01:19:05PM -0500, Joe Hall wrote:
 Mailing lists like this often include a header element like this that
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 https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/options/liberationtech,
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You're right, this list carries RFC 2369 headers.[1]  But it's even
simpler than that.

Every correctly-run mailing list on the Internet has an associated
address of the form:

[listname]-request@[listhost]
as in:
liberationtech-requ...@lists.stanford.edu

I say correctly because it's been a standard for 18 years:

Mailbox names for common services, roles and functions
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2142.txt

and it was a very frequently-used convention for 15+ years before that.
All sensible mailing list management software (e.g., Mailman, which
operates this list) supports it.

So all you need to remember is that tacking -request onto the left
hand side of any mailing list's address should connect you to the entity
(probably software; could be a human, but probably not) that can subscribe
and unsubscribe you, and change your list options (if applicable).

But wait!  There's more.

You should also be able to reach the human(s) behind any mailing list
by using -owner in the same way, e.g., if there's a mailing list whose
address is j...@example.com, then joe-ow...@example.com should reach
whoever's behind it.  Unlike -request, which these days almost certainly
connects to software, -owner should connect you to people.  So keep in
mind that messages to -request should use the proper syntax (send help
and only that if you don't know) but messages to -owner should use
complete sentences, because otherwise you probably won't be understood.

And finally, if all else fails, it has been an absolutely mandatory
requirement since approximately forever (okay, RFC 822, which dates from
1982) that postmaster reach the human(s) responsible for the care and
feeding of whichever mail system is in play.  Any operation that doesn't
support that has no business sending or accepting email, period, full stop.
This is thus a fallback if -request doesn't seem to work and -owner
also yields no joy.

So.  First try -request.  If confusion ensues, try -owner.  If all else
fails, try postmaster.

If all of those fail, then get the cluestick ready because you're dealing
with incompetent morons who should be forced (a) to fix their horribly
broken mail system and (b) to listen to the 3-CD, 137-minute anthology
Bieber and Skrillex Tribute to Pink Floyd.  [2] On 10.  With headphones.

---rsk


[1] RFC 2369 is described here:

The Use of URLs as Meta-Syntax for Core Mail List Commands
and their Transport through Message Header Fields
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2369.txt

and on this list, these are set:

List-Id:
List-Unsubscribe:
List-Archive:
List-Post:
List-Help:
List-Subscribe:

If your mail client doesn't make it very easy for you to see those
on demand, then your mail client is misconfigured or broken.  If the
former, fix the configuration; if the latter, discard it, because
there is absolutely no excuse, in 2015, for a mail client that doesn't
facilitate compliance with an important RFC from 1998 -- doubly so one
that is key to participation in every responsibly-run mailing list
on the Internet.  (Of which, I'm happy to note, liberationtech et.al. are.)

[2] Rest easy.  I made that up.  The world is still safe.  For the moment.
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Re: [liberationtech] liberationtech Digest, Vol 231, Issue 1

2015-01-28 Thread Joe Hall
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On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Kristian Simsarian ksimsar...@cca.edu wrote:
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 On Jan 27, 2015, at 16:29, liberationtech-requ...@lists.stanford.edu wrote:

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 Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (hellekin)
   2. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (marietta le)
   3. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (Douglas Bagnall)
   4. The missing tech between TBB , Whoonix and Tails
  (Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) - lists)
   5. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (ma...@wk3.org)
   6. Re: The missing tech between TBB ,Whoonix and Tails
  (Eduardo Robles Elvira)
   7. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (Amin Sabeti)
   8. Re: The missing tech between TBB ,Whoonix and Tails
  (Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) - lists)
   9. Re: The missing tech between TBB ,Whoonix and Tails
  (Nathan of Guardian)
  10. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (Jens Kubieziel)
  11. 3D Printing Prosthetics: A conversation with JonSchulland
  JeremySimon of e-NABLE (January 22,2015 | 10:00-11:00 am EST)
  (Nick Martin)
  12. Internet repression continues in Cuba (Myself)
  13. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform (Griffin Boyce)
  14. Re: Open Source Videoconference platform
  (Andr?s Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes)
  15. CAMRI seminar 28/1: Clint Burnham on Slavoj ?i?ek and the
  Internet (Christian Fuchs)
  16. Re: CAMRI seminar 28/1: Clint Burnham on Slavoj ?i?ek and the
  Internet (Travis Biehn)
  17. Computational Epidemiology: The role of big data and
  pervasive * 4:15PM, Wed January 21, 2015 in Gates B03 (Yosem Companys)
  18. UC Berkeley CITRIS Research Exchange for theSpring is now
  online (Yosem Companys)
  19. [SPAM:] [SPAM:###] Davos 2015 takes aim at the future of
  the internet (and cyber-security) (Andrea St)
  20. mySociety's new $3.6M investment from Omidyar Network, seeks
  to grow Poplus civic tech collaboration (Steven Clift)
  21. Stanford Liberationtech Seminar: Will revolutionbe tweeted?
  - Jan 29 (Yosem Companys)
  22. CfP - International Journal of Communication Special Issue -
  (Un)civil Society in Digital China (Jiang, Min)
  23. Net neutrality case in Slovenia (Mitar)
  24. Re: Net neutrality case in Slovenia (Rejo Zenger)
  25. Testers sought for PassLok privacy (Francisco Ruiz)
  26. Teknokultura Journal - latest issue (Javier de Rivera)
  27. Call ESA 2015 Conference: ?Critical Media Sociology Today?
  (Christian Fuchs)
  28. The Future of Security Journalism (J.M. Porup)
  29. Re: The Future of Security Journalism (Eleanor Saitta)
  30. Re: The Future of Security Journalism (J.M. Porup)
  31. Free TechChange-USAID Course: How To Use Mobile Data
  Solutions for Better Development Outcomes (Nick Martin)
  32. Marisol Sandoval: From Corporate to Social Media (CAMRI
  Seminar Feb 4) (Christian Fuchs)
  33. Open Data Day Micro Grants - ODD is Feb 21st (Steven Clift)
  34. Re: Iranian are bypass the Twitter censorship and sanction by
  their mobile phones (Collin Anderson)


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 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 22:19:14 -0300
 From: hellekin helle...@gnu.org
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 Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Open Source Videoconference platform
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 On 01/18/2015 11:16 AM, Andr?s Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote:
 Is there such a thing? Reliable? Skype sucks, and it is a Microsoft product
 now (too flickery, etc.), and I don't know of others..
 *** Tox (https://tox.im/) is a promising alternative to Jitsi and
 XMPP/SIP.  It specifically aims at replacing Skype.  Still early, but
 already impressive.

 ==
 hk

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