Re: [liberationtech] Saudi Arabia implements electronic tracking system for women

2012-11-22 Thread Brian Conley
I would be interested to know whether this system involves any automated
tracking, such as a database of SIMs that are updated by default via SMS
when the relevant women's SIM passes immigration, etc.

It seems likely it is simply a database registry, cross referencing contact
information of male guardians with the respective woman being monitored.

In effect this means the men may also be tracked, at least their phones are
registered in a central database.

It seems the practicalities around how such a system functions may be an
effective way to organize Saudi men around a campaign? I guess it depends
whether, culturally, such a database of male SIMs is considered an
unacceptable invasion of privacy.

Thanks for the heads up!
On Nov 22, 2012 12:28 PM, Mohammad Shublaq m...@riseup.net wrote:


 http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/22/saudi-arabia-implements-electronic-tracking-system-for-womenhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/22/saudi-arabia-implements-electronic-tracking-system-for-women/?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter

 RIYADH — Denied the right to travel without consent from their male
 guardians and banned from driving, women in Saudi Arabia are now monitored
 by an electronic system that tracks any cross-border movements.

 Since last week, Saudi women’s male guardians began receiving text
 messages on their phones informing them when women under their custody
 leave the country, even if they are travelling together.

 Manal al-Sherif, who became the symbol of a campaign launched last year
 urging Saudi women to defy a driving ban, began spreading the information
 on Twitter, after she was alerted by a couple.

 The husband, who was travelling with his wife, received a text message
 from the immigration authorities informing him that his wife had left the
 international airport in Riyadh.

 “The authorities are using technology to monitor women,” said columnist
 Badriya al-Bishr, who criticised the “state of slavery under which women
 are held” in the ultra-conservative kingdom.

 Women are not allowed to leave the kingdom without permission from their
 male guardian, who must give his consent by signing what is known as the
 “yellow sheet” at the airport or border.

 The move by the Saudi authorities was swiftly condemned on social network
 Twitter — a rare bubble of freedom for millions in the kingdom — with
 critics mocking the decision.

 “Hello Taliban, herewith some tips from the Saudi e-government!” read one
 post.

 “Why don’t you cuff your women with tracking ankle bracelets too?” wrote
 Israa.

 “Why don’t we just install a microchip into our women to track them
 around?” joked another.

 “If I need an SMS to let me know my wife is leaving Saudi Arabia, then I’m
 either married to the wrong woman or need a psychiatrist,” tweeted Hisham.

 “This is technology used to serve backwardness in order to keep women
 imprisoned,” said Bishr, the columnist.

 “It would have been better for the government to busy itself with finding
 a solution for women subjected to domestic violence” than track their
 movements into and out of the country.

 Saudi Arabia applies a strict interpretation of sharia, or Islamic law,
 and is the only country in the world where women are not allowed to drive.

 In June 2011, female activists launched a campaign to defy the ban, with
 many arrested for doing so and forced to sign a pledge they will never
 drive again.

 No law specifically forbids women in Saudi Arabia from driving, but the
 interior minister formally banned them after 47 women were arrested and
 punished after demonstrating in cars in November 1990.

 Last year, King Abdullah — a cautious reformer — granted women the right
 to vote and run in the 2015 municipal elections, a historic first for the
 country.

 In January, the 89-year-old monarch appointed Sheikh Abdullatif Abdel Aziz
 al-Sheikh, a moderate, to head the notorious religious police commission,
 which enforces the kingdom’s severe version of sharia law.

 Following his appointment, Sheikh banned members of the commission from
 harassing Saudi women over their behaviour and attire, raising hopes a more
 lenient force will ease draconian social constraints in the country.

 But the kingdom’s “religious establishment” is still to blame for the
 discrimination of women in Saudi Arabia, says liberal activist Suad
 Shemmari.

 “Saudi women are treated as minors throughout their lives even if they
 hold high positions,” said Shemmari, who believes “there can never be
 reform in the kingdom without changing the status of women and treating
 them” as equals to men.

 But that seems a very long way off.

 The kingdom enforces strict rules governing mixing between the sexes,
 while women are forced to wear a veil and a black cloak, or abaya, that
 covers them from head to toe except for their hands and faces.

 The many restrictions on women have led to high rates of female
 unemployment, officially estimated at around 30 percent.

 In October, 

Re: [liberationtech] Saudi Arabia implements electronic tracking system for women

2012-11-22 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
I couldn't believe this was true and actually had to look it up in
different news sources in order to believe it (found it in AFP, seems
legit.)

This is stupendous.


NK


On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Brian Conley bri...@smallworldnews.tvwrote:

 I would be interested to know whether this system involves any automated
 tracking, such as a database of SIMs that are updated by default via SMS
 when the relevant women's SIM passes immigration, etc.

 It seems likely it is simply a database registry, cross referencing
 contact information of male guardians with the respective woman being
 monitored.

 In effect this means the men may also be tracked, at least their phones
 are registered in a central database.

 It seems the practicalities around how such a system functions may be an
 effective way to organize Saudi men around a campaign? I guess it depends
 whether, culturally, such a database of male SIMs is considered an
 unacceptable invasion of privacy.

 Thanks for the heads up!
 On Nov 22, 2012 12:28 PM, Mohammad Shublaq m...@riseup.net wrote:


 http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/22/saudi-arabia-implements-electronic-tracking-system-for-womenhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/22/saudi-arabia-implements-electronic-tracking-system-for-women/?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter

 RIYADH — Denied the right to travel without consent from their male
 guardians and banned from driving, women in Saudi Arabia are now monitored
 by an electronic system that tracks any cross-border movements.

 Since last week, Saudi women’s male guardians began receiving text
 messages on their phones informing them when women under their custody
 leave the country, even if they are travelling together.

 Manal al-Sherif, who became the symbol of a campaign launched last year
 urging Saudi women to defy a driving ban, began spreading the information
 on Twitter, after she was alerted by a couple.

 The husband, who was travelling with his wife, received a text message
 from the immigration authorities informing him that his wife had left the
 international airport in Riyadh.

 “The authorities are using technology to monitor women,” said columnist
 Badriya al-Bishr, who criticised the “state of slavery under which women
 are held” in the ultra-conservative kingdom.

 Women are not allowed to leave the kingdom without permission from their
 male guardian, who must give his consent by signing what is known as the
 “yellow sheet” at the airport or border.

 The move by the Saudi authorities was swiftly condemned on social network
 Twitter — a rare bubble of freedom for millions in the kingdom — with
 critics mocking the decision.

 “Hello Taliban, herewith some tips from the Saudi e-government!” read one
 post.

 “Why don’t you cuff your women with tracking ankle bracelets too?” wrote
 Israa.

 “Why don’t we just install a microchip into our women to track them
 around?” joked another.

 “If I need an SMS to let me know my wife is leaving Saudi Arabia, then
 I’m either married to the wrong woman or need a psychiatrist,” tweeted
 Hisham.

 “This is technology used to serve backwardness in order to keep women
 imprisoned,” said Bishr, the columnist.

 “It would have been better for the government to busy itself with finding
 a solution for women subjected to domestic violence” than track their
 movements into and out of the country.

 Saudi Arabia applies a strict interpretation of sharia, or Islamic law,
 and is the only country in the world where women are not allowed to drive.

 In June 2011, female activists launched a campaign to defy the ban, with
 many arrested for doing so and forced to sign a pledge they will never
 drive again.

 No law specifically forbids women in Saudi Arabia from driving, but the
 interior minister formally banned them after 47 women were arrested and
 punished after demonstrating in cars in November 1990.

 Last year, King Abdullah — a cautious reformer — granted women the right
 to vote and run in the 2015 municipal elections, a historic first for the
 country.

 In January, the 89-year-old monarch appointed Sheikh Abdullatif Abdel
 Aziz al-Sheikh, a moderate, to head the notorious religious police
 commission, which enforces the kingdom’s severe version of sharia law.

 Following his appointment, Sheikh banned members of the commission from
 harassing Saudi women over their behaviour and attire, raising hopes a more
 lenient force will ease draconian social constraints in the country.

 But the kingdom’s “religious establishment” is still to blame for the
 discrimination of women in Saudi Arabia, says liberal activist Suad
 Shemmari.

 “Saudi women are treated as minors throughout their lives even if they
 hold high positions,” said Shemmari, who believes “there can never be
 reform in the kingdom without changing the status of women and treating
 them” as equals to men.

 But that seems a very long way off.

 The kingdom enforces strict rules governing mixing between the sexes,
 while 

Re: [liberationtech] Saudi Arabia implements electronic tracking system for women

2012-11-22 Thread Eva Galperin
The AFP misses a couple of key points. I recommend reading this blog
post by Ahmed Al Omran, a journalist living in Saudi Arabia. Prior to
returning to Saudi, Ahmed worked for Andy Carvin at NPR.

 http://riyadhbureau.com/blog/2012/11/saudi-women-tracking

Reporting on the uproar, AFP described it this way: “women in Saudi
Arabia are now monitored by an electronic system that tracks any
cross-border movements.” This description is inaccurate. The so-called
monitoring system is not just for women. The text messages would be sent
when any of your dependents leave or enter the country. In Saudi Arabia
that includes not only your underage sons and daughters, but also your
wife (and other women under your custody) as well as foreign workers
sponsored by you. Dependents are not allowed to leave the country
without permission from their guardian or sponsor.

He then goes on to speculate about why this has suddenly become a story
now, even though the system has been in place for two years.



Eva Galperin
International Freedom of Expression Coordinator
Electronic Frontier Foundation
e...@eff.org
(415) 436-9333 ex. 111


On 11/22/12 12:51 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
 I couldn't believe this was true and actually had to look it up in
 different news sources in order to believe it (found it in AFP, seems
 legit.)
 
 This is stupendous.
 
 
 NK
 
 
 On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Brian Conley bri...@smallworldnews.tvwrote:
 
 I would be interested to know whether this system involves any automated
 tracking, such as a database of SIMs that are updated by default via SMS
 when the relevant women's SIM passes immigration, etc.

 It seems likely it is simply a database registry, cross referencing
 contact information of male guardians with the respective woman being
 monitored.

 In effect this means the men may also be tracked, at least their phones
 are registered in a central database.

 It seems the practicalities around how such a system functions may be an
 effective way to organize Saudi men around a campaign? I guess it depends
 whether, culturally, such a database of male SIMs is considered an
 unacceptable invasion of privacy.

 Thanks for the heads up!
 On Nov 22, 2012 12:28 PM, Mohammad Shublaq m...@riseup.net wrote:


 http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/22/saudi-arabia-implements-electronic-tracking-system-for-womenhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/22/saudi-arabia-implements-electronic-tracking-system-for-women/?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter

 RIYADH — Denied the right to travel without consent from their male
 guardians and banned from driving, women in Saudi Arabia are now monitored
 by an electronic system that tracks any cross-border movements.

 Since last week, Saudi women’s male guardians began receiving text
 messages on their phones informing them when women under their custody
 leave the country, even if they are travelling together.

 Manal al-Sherif, who became the symbol of a campaign launched last year
 urging Saudi women to defy a driving ban, began spreading the information
 on Twitter, after she was alerted by a couple.

 The husband, who was travelling with his wife, received a text message
 from the immigration authorities informing him that his wife had left the
 international airport in Riyadh.

 “The authorities are using technology to monitor women,” said columnist
 Badriya al-Bishr, who criticised the “state of slavery under which women
 are held” in the ultra-conservative kingdom.

 Women are not allowed to leave the kingdom without permission from their
 male guardian, who must give his consent by signing what is known as the
 “yellow sheet” at the airport or border.

 The move by the Saudi authorities was swiftly condemned on social network
 Twitter — a rare bubble of freedom for millions in the kingdom — with
 critics mocking the decision.

 “Hello Taliban, herewith some tips from the Saudi e-government!” read one
 post.

 “Why don’t you cuff your women with tracking ankle bracelets too?” wrote
 Israa.

 “Why don’t we just install a microchip into our women to track them
 around?” joked another.

 “If I need an SMS to let me know my wife is leaving Saudi Arabia, then
 I’m either married to the wrong woman or need a psychiatrist,” tweeted
 Hisham.

 “This is technology used to serve backwardness in order to keep women
 imprisoned,” said Bishr, the columnist.

 “It would have been better for the government to busy itself with finding
 a solution for women subjected to domestic violence” than track their
 movements into and out of the country.

 Saudi Arabia applies a strict interpretation of sharia, or Islamic law,
 and is the only country in the world where women are not allowed to drive.

 In June 2011, female activists launched a campaign to defy the ban, with
 many arrested for doing so and forced to sign a pledge they will never
 drive again.

 No law specifically 

Re: [liberationtech] Saudi Arabia implements electronic tracking system for women

2012-11-22 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
Thanks, Eva!

NK


On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Eva Galperin e...@eff.org wrote:

  http://riyadhbureau.com/blog/2012/11/saudi-women-tracking

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