Re: [liberationtech] Solutions to surveillance, beyond tech legal

2013-12-18 Thread Michael Rogers
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On 18/12/13 00:44, Yosem Companys wrote:
 Using this framework, it's clear that the media is focusing on the 
 regulative (laws) and parts of the cultural-cognitive (tech), but 
 ignoring the normative and affective, as Dan notes, including arts
 and humanities.

Perhaps we could see the fact that the media's interested in this
issue at all as an acknowledgement of the normative and affective
aspects - i.e. the appetite for surveillance stories comes from people
being upset that norms are being transgressed?

I do agree though that there's a lack of explicit engagement with
normative questions - the terrorism frame tends to exclude them. What
frame can we use to challenge the terrorism frame? Big Brother lacks
emotional traction and doesn't have much to say about norms either.

Cheers,
Michael

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Re: [liberationtech] Solutions to surveillance, beyond tech legal

2013-12-18 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall
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Fascinating.

Normatively, I've been trying (not in these words) to tell folks, any
chance I get, to protect your shit better and that on the tech side
we'll work hard to meet them there by hardening things in a usable
manner. Even though I work with tons of lawyers it's very hard to see
a way forward there... but we will continue to try.

Are there other kinds of normative/cultural/meme-worthy things we can
collectively try to instill in folks?

best, Joe

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Re: [liberationtech] Solutions to surveillance, beyond tech legal

2013-12-18 Thread Shava Nerad
Shouldn't there be a pillar of *political engagement* where people get off
the couch and out of their ergonomic chairs as a product of
normative/cognitive et al effects -- that is somewhat to the side of what
we generally think of as legal/legislative or normative effects but
belongs in its own category as social movement smudging into civil unrest
or asymmetrical actions?

In the age of the empowered individual where the NSA is going to the
expense of tens of billions in US dollars to track the actions of
individuals engaged -- in theory -- in this kind of activity, it seems a
mistake to disregard this kind of activity.

We have also the NSA cursing that Tor Stinks, the FBI tracking pacifist
groups by mistakenly smacking their sites as terrorist cells, the five eyes
hunting journalism couriers -- isn't this the very beating *heart* of
liberation technology?

The chilling effects against organizing nonviolently that are being woven
into the very fabric of our culture and society are tactile.  But certainly
they shouldn't be overlooked here.

We can not rely on elites to fight out these issues in the capitals, in the
courts or in the rarified airs of the net or ivory towers.  Eventually this
has to be brought to the people of our modern democracies -- I believe that
is what the Chinese water torture of these leaks is about, vs the tarball
of Collateral Murder which made little impact on the collective popular
conscience, or six years of Binney and company's pleading for attention
hoping for attention from elites to elites while preserving the dignity of
the corps.

Further, I'd postulate that this is not fully about internet or other
privacy -- even I can't say that.  Privacy is collateral damage.

This is about tens of billions of US dollars in black line budgets gone to
cyberwarfare in the military industrial complex that is plainly under
minimal oversight -- up to six hours a week of congressional committee time
when Congress is in session, under the chair of a rubberstamp at least in
the Senate, for seventeen agencies doing surveillance work -- a mechanism
designed for oversight when surveillance work was intimate, and top secret
clearances didn't involve .5% of the US population and the NSA alone wasn't
the largest employer in the state of Maryland.

As is true in most major political trainwrecks in DC, this is about power,
money and influence on a grand scale.

During the Bush administration, W's director of national security was Mike
McConnell.  W's dad was longtime hardcore head of the CIA before he had
been president, so intel was a family business.  Mike convinced W that
cyberwarfare was the direction for the beltway,  and W approved it.  Mike
went on to create a major initiative to help businesses on the beltway
transition away from aerospace and so on to cyberwarfare, pushed bills in
Congress, and then took the revolving door to become a major executive at
Booz Allen Hamilton -- making him Snowden's boss a couple times removed.

This entire affair is President/General Eisenhower's warning regarding the
political potential of the military industrial complex come to roost.

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/17/132942244/ikes-warning-of-military-expansion-50-years-later

I'd invite you to consider that people do not spy without incentive, they
do not grab power without incentive.  Follow the money.  Track power.
 Consider motivation.  Don't villify people in cardboard ways.

This is a game of thrones -- history doesn't end in history books.  People
are still motivated by power, money and influence.  They are not bad
people usually -- truly psychotic people are rarely stable enough to hold
positions of leadership.  But they are venal, greedy, power hungry, and
highly directed in their goals.

Psychologists tell us that 4% of the population are sociopaths, and 20-25%
of CEOs are sociopaths -- by their definitions, a sociopath is someone who
feels no inherent remorse or inhibition in breaking social norms to achieve
a goal.

Recently I've been discussing this with my own therapist.  I suspect that
psychology is missing something, being a person with a cogsci background.
 The hypothalamus inhibits social behavior by giving us signals of shame
and submission when we break social norms as social mammals -- I suspect it
has a lot to do with sociopathy.  But I also suspect it has a lot to do
with social reformers, who break social norms for altruistic ends, or law
enforcement or military people who break social norms to protect and serve.

A sociopath-for-good is a post-conventional thinker working for social
change -- this would be a great many readers of this list.

Foxes, hounds, sheepdogs -- we are those who work at a metalevel above the
herd.

But there is a herd.  It's neurochemical and taboo to talk about it.  Most
people don't want to be seen as sticking their heads up.  They don't want
to take risks. They don't want to be part of a movement.  They just want
comfort and to be part of a well-kept social