Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
Le 2011-05-29 17:28, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi Marc, all, [ ooops what a terrible cross post, four lists ;-) I skipp the project and website list for the moment and IMO follow ups for my subject (see below) should be at marketing preferably devs with an relevant opinion can either join or hire a gohst writer ;-) ] Marc Paré wrote (27-05-11 16:57) It's time that we get on with creating the page on the main site. So unless anyone is going to offer to create/design the page, I'll take care of it. I have not had a lot of practice at Silverstripe, so you will have to be patient with me. We have worked on the screenshot protocols which have now been put on the website wiki pages[1] (thanks to Klaus! and all other for their comments). BTW ... .png's will be the format to use. We will have to point this out to the translation teams for when they take their screenshots. * I will follow the same format as on the New Features and Fixes web pages[2]. If I understand it correctly, we are to have a 3.4 webpage and a 3.3.2 webpage (essentially what we have now on the New Features and Fixes webpage). These pages will be used by website visitors to compare the features between both versions of LibreOffice. We are not comparing to MSO nor OOo. So, IMO, both pages should have the same page format so that our visitors feel comfortable moving from one page to the other. Any comments before I jump in? Any comments? What I want to stress, is that we need to explain, and show - the release rationale: point zero release is only for ..., and not for ... - plus that IMO we must at least for point zero releases the knows nasty bugs On the current release notes page those are not visible. I propose to change that. Kind regards, Cor No problem. Could you modify the wiki page? Let us know when it is done and we'll take a look at it. Thanks for the help. Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
Le 2011-05-30 06:04, Marc Paré a écrit : What I want to stress, is that we need to explain, and show - the release rationale: point zero release is only for ..., and not for ... - plus that IMO we must at least for point zero releases the knows nasty bugs On the current release notes page those are not visible. I propose to change that. Kind regards, Cor No problem. Could you modify the wiki page? Let us know when it is done and we'll take a look at it. Thanks for the help. Cheers Marc Hi Cor On the NA pamphlet[1], we have put (with Drew's kind help) the following text, maybe your text could read somewhat like this? = For the most conservative users, we recommend a commercially supported version, which enables you to indirectly support the project’s development. Such stable versions will typically be based on a point release, such as LibreOffice 3.3.2 today; For those interested in the bleeding edge, who want to enjoy new features and fixes, we recommend LibreOffice 3.4.0, release candidates, betas or even nightly builds, which enable a participation in the development, evaluation and quality control process; Of course, as the 3.4 series matures, we will reach a point where we will recommend a 3.4.x release as being suitable even for the most conservative users. = Cheers Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO-Pamphlet-platforms-support.odt ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
Hi Marc, all, [ ooops what a terrible cross post, four lists ;-) I skipp the project and website list for the moment and IMO follow ups for my subject (see below) should be at marketing preferably devs with an relevant opinion can either join or hire a gohst writer ;-) ] Marc Paré wrote (27-05-11 16:57) It's time that we get on with creating the page on the main site. So unless anyone is going to offer to create/design the page, I'll take care of it. I have not had a lot of practice at Silverstripe, so you will have to be patient with me. We have worked on the screenshot protocols which have now been put on the website wiki pages[1] (thanks to Klaus! and all other for their comments). BTW ... .png's will be the format to use. We will have to point this out to the translation teams for when they take their screenshots. * I will follow the same format as on the New Features and Fixes web pages[2]. If I understand it correctly, we are to have a 3.4 webpage and a 3.3.2 webpage (essentially what we have now on the New Features and Fixes webpage). These pages will be used by website visitors to compare the features between both versions of LibreOffice. We are not comparing to MSO nor OOo. So, IMO, both pages should have the same page format so that our visitors feel comfortable moving from one page to the other. Any comments before I jump in? Any comments? What I want to stress, is that we need to explain, and show - the release rationale: point zero release is only for ..., and not for ... - plus that IMO we must at least for point zero releases the knows nasty bugs On the current release notes page those are not visible. I propose to change that. Kind regards, Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
Hi Michael et al It was suggested during the confcall that we should perhaps concentrate on this issue on the mailing list. I think that the idea is that members on the projects list are prepared to expedite issues here a little more quickly than on the other lists. The object of this exercise is to see if we could have the release notes, on the website page, released all at the same time for as many language groups as possible. The release is planned for the end of May or early days of June. We have about 10-11 days left. Le 2011-05-19 06:11, Michael Meeks a écrit : Hi Marc, On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 09:35 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Could we, all, please take a close look at the information on the Release Notes 3.4 wiki page[1] to make sure that the information is complete and correct ? Completeness is hard :-) but I poked a number of people last week to add their details there. One key thing I would like to get right in our 3.4 promotion is crediting the people (particularly volunteers) involved in each feature - hence the names there. How is the 3.4 page coming along ? clearly we had huge bus-loads of new-features in 3.3 (at least new to OO.o users), and 3.4 has a danger of looking less significant against that (I suppose) - that's a good one for marketing to deal with. On the other side, I think a developers' view / timeline of what has changed, and our progress and where we're going would be good to have for the 3.4 release as well; there are things like - improved build infrastructure (and so on) that are not so visible in Of course - finally, those are only features that -we- have worked on; Oracle contributed a lot too cf. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Feature_Freeze_Testing_3.4 Which we should no doubt mention (with suitable crediting) - though be careful of the calc feature overlap, where Kohei had to re-implement a number of pieces. HTH, Michael. Michael: Thanks for doing this. Sure we will add credit to the people associated with the changes. So far the this list is it for the upcoming release so we should try to get different language groups to get this page translated. It would be nice to have at least one interested member represented for each language group who is ready to translate/contribute and do the same for the web page. We will need: * get language groups to translate the wiki page of release notes.[1] * get images of different new features or fixes done in different language. We should have the same protocols for image captures. Could someone point me to these if they have ever been discussed or could we have someone chime in and help out? * get the translation of the release website page done before the release of the new version. We need to coordinate this with the dev group. I am not sure who gives the final say on when the new release if put on the downloads website pages. Are you the person who OK's this? Any input on this is welcome. Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
Hah, Ignore my previous slightly sharp mail wrt. testing - I had forgotten you're doing all this great marketing research work :-) On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 09:07 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: The object of this exercise is to see if we could have the release notes, on the website page, released all at the same time for as many language groups as possible. The release is planned for the end of May or early days of June. We have about 10-11 days left. Sounds great to me. As of some weeks ago, there are no features going into the product, only bug fixes - so we should be clear for a long run to get it nailed down and translated. * get images of different new features or fixes done in different language. We should have the same protocols for image captures. Could someone point me to these if they have ever been discussed or could we have someone chime in and help out? Ooh - difficult (and big) :-) The screenshots last time turned out to be quite emotive: with people anxious about consistent platform, theme, and so on - which added a real bottleneck to the screen-shotting process. * get the translation of the release website page done before the release of the new version. We need to coordinate this with the dev group. I am not sure who gives the final say on when the new release if put on the downloads website pages. Are you the person who OK's this? So - final up-loads and tweaking of the download page / javascript (etc.) are done by Thorsten, or Christian I guess, I'd ask them. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
Hi Marc, On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 09:35 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Could we, all, please take a close look at the information on the Release Notes 3.4 wiki page[1] to make sure that the information is complete and correct ? Completeness is hard :-) but I poked a number of people last week to add their details there. One key thing I would like to get right in our 3.4 promotion is crediting the people (particularly volunteers) involved in each feature - hence the names there. How is the 3.4 page coming along ? clearly we had huge bus-loads of new-features in 3.3 (at least new to OO.o users), and 3.4 has a danger of looking less significant against that (I suppose) - that's a good one for marketing to deal with. On the other side, I think a developers' view / timeline of what has changed, and our progress and where we're going would be good to have for the 3.4 release as well; there are things like - improved build infrastructure (and so on) that are not so visible in Of course - finally, those are only features that -we- have worked on; Oracle contributed a lot too cf. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Feature_Freeze_Testing_3.4 Which we should no doubt mention (with suitable crediting) - though be careful of the calc feature overlap, where Kohei had to re-implement a number of pieces. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 11:11 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Feature_Freeze_Testing_3.4 Which we should no doubt mention (with suitable crediting) - though be careful of the calc feature overlap, where Kohei had to re-implement a number of pieces. Yes, in fact, looking at their calc list, the only thing we took was the rename of DataPilot into Pivot Table. The rest were not merged in due to code base divergence. The unlimited field support was in fact something that they duplicated; I put that feature in first into LibreOffice and they followed. Suffice it to say that what's in LibreOffice right now is my code, not theirs. -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc kyosh...@novell.com ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
At the last marketing team confcall I offered to help coordinate completing the release notes of the upcoming 3.4 version and then distilling the information into a version more suitable for our website accompanied with photos of some or many of these changes. Could we, all, please take a close look at the information on the Release Notes 3.4 wiki page[1] to make sure that the information is complete and correct? This will help greatly in easing the task of creating a more suitable page for the website. We just have to make sure that all the details are there and that we have not missed anything major in the list. We are hoping to have a website page showing the new/changes/corrections of this iteration and another page with the 3.3 version where reviewers/users/members will be able to compare. Feel free to update the wiki page or leave me a note on this thread. Thanks for your help. Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.4 ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
