Re: [Libreoffice] Suggestions for improving the look 'n' feel of LibreOffice
Hi Alex, On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 18:57 +0200, alexander.wi...@zoho.com wrote: My name is Alex and I am a member of the design team. I've collected several ideas regarding the look of LO. I'd like to hear your opinions: Great ! :-) the best list for this is libreoffice-ux-adv...@lists.freedesktop.org I've CC'd that - hopefully we can take follow-ups to there. 2) Currently, only Shift allows scaling a picture while keeping the ratio. Apparently thats how Word works, too, but if one is used to Gimp or Inkscape one intuitively tries Ctrl. I suggest to allow both keys. IMHO the ability to scale an -image- destroying it's aspect ratio - which we have by default on re-sizing them is a mis-feature. IMHO we should invert the sense here - dragging the corner handles should by default preserve aspect ratio (perhaps just for images). Clearly other handles are already provided and near at hand for sizing in just one direction, and we should flip the sense of ctrl||shift to allow aspect-busting sizing. But of course consensus on that appreciated - so we can knock up an easy hack. Sadly, looking over the shoulder of my wife, plus daughters I've had to undo / fix-this up for them several times, and no doubt lots of people screw up their documents accidentally like this. [ Still, with 4x3 TV frequently stretched to 16x9, perhaps people are hardened these days to seeing footballers as fatter and shorter than they really are ;-] 5) The handles for resizing and rotating look rather dated. They should be replaced by some squares/circles filled with a nice gradient. Are they hardcoded or could the graphics simply be replaced? Agreed - there are two modes: large and small for the handles but both look dated as you say. Some consensus on this from the design team might let us create some easy hack around this. Lets build that on ux-advise. It'd be great to have someone to track discussion on the topics and come up with a consensus there. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Libreoffice] Suggestions for improving the look 'n' feel of LibreOffice
Hi Michael, Alexander, 2) Currently, only Shift allows scaling a picture while keeping the ratio. Apparently thats how Word works, too, but if one is used to Gimp or Inkscape one intuitively tries Ctrl. I suggest to allow both keys. IMHO the ability to scale an -image- destroying it's aspect ratio - which we have by default on re-sizing them is a mis-feature. IMHO we should invert the sense here - dragging the corner handles should by default preserve aspect ratio (perhaps just for images). Clearly other handles are already provided and near at hand for sizing in just one direction, and we should flip the sense of ctrl||shift to allow aspect-busting sizing. But of course consensus on that appreciated - so we can knock up an easy hack. I had not thought of that in my previous response to Alexander (on the design list), but (in my view) you are absolutely correct with regards to this being a misfeature for photos/raster graphics. But I wouldn't go so far as to reverse the meaning of the Shift key. I think the best solution would be to turn the existing Keep ratio option on automatically when importing a raster image. On des...@g.lo.org, Christoph (Noack) also loudly thought about some helpful status bar text, like in Inkscape etc. to inform users. Sadly, there seem to be no news from Federico's attempt to change the Drawing toolbar (Christoph first mentioned better status bar information there, I think). 5) The handles for resizing and rotating look rather dated. They should be replaced by some squares/circles filled with a nice gradient. Are they hardcoded or could the graphics simply be replaced? Agreed - there are two modes: large and small for the handles but both look dated as you say. Some consensus on this from the design team might let us create some easy hack around this. There are four modes: small, large, small/3D, large/3D. Writer's scanner tool uses small square black handles, but I am not sure if these are graphics. Additionally, in Draw/Impress, there are at least another four handles (corner, side vertical, side horizontal, center) for rotating and a further two (node, direction of node) for manipulating vector lines, all are also available in four modes (small, small/3D, large, large/3D). It would be great if all of the four modes could be unified (with handles nominally the same size as the current large handles [8*8]) with all of the related options removed. Lastly, there's the anchor image from Writer that is also in dire need of replacement. What would be great: * to know the location of these images in the git repository (sorry, I really tried finding them, but there are too many icons) * to know what's possible with these images – most importantly: alpha transparency? * if someone could remove the additional UI/code * if someone would make them themeable (if they aren't already/strictly optional) Help appreciated. Astron. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice] Suggestions for improving the look 'n' feel of LibreOffice
At 6:40pm -0400 Sat, 29 Oct 2011, alexander.wi...@zoho.com wrote: I've just created this small mock-up, of what I think could be a good solution: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Toxicbits That seems a good start. But let's see if some other devs have any thoughts, or if ... is it Christoph Noack? (the design team liason?) ... have any thoughts. Cheers, Kevin ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Suggestions for improving the look 'n' feel of LibreOffice
At 12:57pm -0400 Fri, 28 Oct 2011, Alexander Wilms wrote: There's a short summary with a few examples in this document: http://ubuntuone.com/7m7AXgeh7OIwGBiCOHAjGh 1) It would be useful if the user could define alternating colors for table rows/columns and maybe even export Styles for text/shapes/tables formatting and coloring to a xml file or something for easy exchange. I concur that this would be very helpful, at least in my line(s) of work. I hope, however, that it could be more general than just every other row/column. For instance, there are times I need every 3rd row to be colored, or I need a set of 2 rows colored every 2 rows. Something like Row 1: color 1 Row 2: color 1 Row 3: color 2 Row 4: color 2 Row 5: color 1 Row 6: color 1 Row 7: color 2 Row 8: color 2 etc. I've done this manually to date, but having a general description or way to handle this would be *very* nice. As to how difficult it would be to implement? I don't know. I'm not working in that part of the code. However, I'll bet an interested (coding) party would have an easier time going about it if there were an actual use-case/specification. Cheers, Kevin ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Suggestions for improving the look 'n' feel of LibreOffice
Hi Kevin, all Thats good to hear :). I've just created this small mock-up, of what I think could be a good solution: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Toxicbits What do you think? Greetings Alex Am Sa 29 Okt 2011 23:37:47 CEST schrieb Kevin Hunter: At 12:57pm -0400 Fri, 28 Oct 2011, Alexander Wilms wrote: There's a short summary with a few examples in this document: http://ubuntuone.com/7m7AXgeh7OIwGBiCOHAjGh 1) It would be useful if the user could define alternating colors for table rows/columns and maybe even export Styles for text/shapes/tables formatting and coloring to a xml file or something for easy exchange. I concur that this would be very helpful, at least in my line(s) of work. I hope, however, that it could be more general than just every other row/column. For instance, there are times I need every 3rd row to be colored, or I need a set of 2 rows colored every 2 rows. Something like Row 1: color 1 Row 2: color 1 Row 3: color 2 Row 4: color 2 Row 5: color 1 Row 6: color 1 Row 7: color 2 Row 8: color 2 etc. I've done this manually to date, but having a general description or way to handle this would be *very* nice. As to how difficult it would be to implement? I don't know. I'm not working in that part of the code. However, I'll bet an interested (coding) party would have an easier time going about it if there were an actual use-case/specification. Cheers, Kevin ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] Suggestions for improving the look 'n' feel of LibreOffice
Hi all, My name is Alex and I am a member of the design team. I've collected several ideas regarding the look of LO. I'd like to hear your opinions: Do you think the suggested changes are useful? And how hard would it be to implement them? There's a short summary with a few examples in this document: http://ubuntuone.com/7m7AXgeh7OIwGBiCOHAjGh 1) It would be useful if the user could define alternating colors for table rows/columns and maybe even export Styles for text/shapes/tables formatting and coloring to a xml file or something for easy exchange. 2) Currently, only Shift allows scaling a picture while keeping the ratio. Apparently thats how Word works, too, but if one is used to Gimp or Inkscape one intuitively tries Ctrl. I suggest to allow both keys. 3) If possible, the markup-language input for formulas should be optional. I am not sure if thats correct but it it seems as if LO Math would be loaded when entering a formula. I heard some of you are working on Visual Formulas Input. Might this be what I'm looking for? 5) The handles for resizing and rotating look rather dated. They should be replaced by some squares/circles filled with a nice gradient. Are they hardcoded or could the graphics simply be replaced? 6) There should be some nice interchangeable borders, maybe svg-files (e.g. polaroid-style) that could easily be applied to imported graphics What do you think? Some of this might not be trivial to implement, but in my opinion it would be worth the effort. Kind Regards Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
