Re: [Libreoffice] Tell me Easy Hack 42782 "remove a dog ! " is a joke !
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 15/12/11 08:26, Khaled Hosny wrote: > certain culture is superior to others, and if we can remove a > possibly offending item to certain people, what harm can be caused > by that? This is the only time I'll comment on this thread, don't worry. Is this "possibly" offending, or _is it_ offending? Maybe there should be some kind of official reference to whom it would offend? One person only? I mean, if there's an official reference to some group actually being offended, I think it would add weight to the request. A mail from one single person saying it's "possibly" offending isn't very heavyweight, is it? best Arno -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7q3l0ACgkQEMIGVCc8BjB4XQCgy0pzA/Oy7nP0gcTUfWR5cR+4 iQYAoJbOwOkW3oBiWXjsqfxTJ9cI03rJ =93mr -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tell me Easy Hack 42782 "remove a dog ! " is a joke !
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Em 15-12-2011 13:22, Pedro escreveu: (snip useless references) > > In any case the picture is not particularly helpful or useful. The problem > is: what do you replace it with? > A big question mark ?, a traffic danger sign (yellow triangle with an exclamation mark)?, a ripped sheet of paper? a broken glass of water? > You can't use what would be more helpful (a plain image with text saying > "Image not found") because that would require to have an image in every > language supported by LO, which IMO is a waste of time and resources. > > Can't this image be replaced by a Text message in the GUI language? good as well. Fact is: the icon is used and should not be removed, but can be enhanced. Kind Regards and seasons greetings. - -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Board of Directors Member - The Document Foundation LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO6ijKAAoJEJp3R7nH3vLxQZMH/iPPWz355mrYw7z7ArTZM30r tYxOSzaVbLCYrB6TYcrble7cE1Sysd+g8P1lGRGU++bbRXtxzZkU3oZIHERwicqh KumBOoDJrdpzx4Gpd8tEXv14rv6/cNQeZ7yh5nR9LvANYU2JyODjdVVKLd9Pu2CY fbMqqr+yrOX2zmr/8FLZIL7q0CPsoDj4IoroCDE5zMOoKhNrVCWjKAfDFHft6iE6 14Nc+rC2ClXFpoqyqWOqBYA2V1FtvKzwPZd2wmpKhImcogczdBpgLzT1Mtz1F0aH 5vpY9CCqy6LpxzUbOV6X/UYdRzIHBisht7Q4VT+CJpvemQgryyYsXoD9u2ueaP0= =hzRk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tell me Easy Hack 42782 "remove a dog ! " is a joke !
In the same way, we should remove all the drawing tools too because someone could use a personal photo and change it to make the person ridiculous... We should also add some autocorrect to prevent the writing of rude words... The pb is not the tool, it's what you do with it (think about all these things you use in everyday life : knives, hammers, a stick of wood, almost everything could be a weapon...) Salam/Shalom/peace/pax/paix/... ;-) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Tell-me-Easy-Hack-42782-remove-a-dog-is-a-joke-tp3587827p3589062.html Sent from the Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tell me Easy Hack 42782 "remove a dog ! " is a joke !
It is quite easy to get the dog image displayed and it shows up in the Picture dialog replacing the missing image... That can be offending in any culture, especially if the image replaced is of a person and the image replacing it is an offense for your culture (imagine your picture replaced by a pig or an ass (the animal, obviously :) ) In any case the picture is not particularly helpful or useful. The problem is: what do you replace it with? You can't use what would be more helpful (a plain image with text saying "Image not found") because that would require to have an image in every language supported by LO, which IMO is a waste of time and resources. Can't this image be replaced by a Text message in the GUI language? Peace! ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Tell-me-Easy-Hack-42782-remove-a-dog-is-a-joke-tp3587827p3588920.html Sent from the Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tell me Easy Hack 42782 "remove a dog ! " is a joke !
Hi all > I don't know if it's a French ideal, it's just the fact that an image of dog > should'nt possibly offend anyone. as a newbye, with ideals too, and most important I'm french, i would highly prefer that we speak about cats ! a highly cultural matter concerning Lovecraft lovers please guys, stop this ... Laurent ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tell me Easy Hack 42782 "remove a dog ! " is a joke !
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 05:05:34AM -0800, julien2412 wrote: > I don't know if it's a French ideal, it's just the fact that an image of dog > should'nt possibly offend anyone. True, if you consider only one culture, the fact is that the world is vastly different and what can't "possibly offend anyone" in one culture can be highly offensive in another. LO should not dictate that that a certain culture is superior to others, and if we can remove a possibly offending item to certain people, what harm can be caused by that? Regards, Khaled ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tell me Easy Hack 42782 "remove a dog ! " is a joke !
Hi again, I answered to Mike and Khaled personally, i should have cc the forum too. Just to sum up what I told them : first : it's not a personal attack against anyone, all of you guys do a great job and brought me friendly help when i needed. Then : of course the vast majority of muslims, like christians, jews, ... are moderate. But I would'nt like LO to lose its independance because of a simple image of dog. (ok the image should be changed to a better one :-) ). If some want a Hallah/Casher/"Christian OK" LO, I don't care, they can use automatic scripts to remove what they consider to be offending for them. But LO original should stay independant. I know that some of you have struggled really hard to be independant from Oracle with this fork and it's great, but everyone must struggle harder to stay independant. I don't know if it's a French ideal, it's just the fact that an image of dog should'nt possibly offend anyone. Julien. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Tell-me-Easy-Hack-42782-remove-a-dog-is-a-joke-tp3587827p3588492.html Sent from the Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tell me Easy Hack 42782 "remove a dog ! " is a joke !
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:58:52AM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 13:14 +0200, Khaled Hosny wrote: > > I'm really offended by > ... > > This is a software project, if you have some political, > > cultural or religious agenda, please take it somewhere else. > > I'm sorry you're offended Khaled; this is (I suspect) a consequence of > our growth - that we have a diverse and healthy project: so we can now > start the infighting ! :-) May be offended was a strong word, it should read "concerned about the attitude", it is a little hypocritical to ask "others" to respect your culture while you are showing no respect to theirs, after all LibreOffice users are not French immigrants who have to either accept the French "ideals" or return back to their homes. > I'm well aware that many people will not like many of the things that I > stand for, and be offended by some of my opinions :-) personally I'd > like to hope that I can still air them from time to time, and people > will put up with me: IMHO having some secularness and blandness > censorship filter of discourse on IRC will only create other channels > that people will migrate to. It is not about personal opinion, everyone is free to say whatever he likes, but suggesting that it should be a project policy to accept only culture X values and implying it is inherently superior than culture Y values is no longer a personal opinion. Regards, Khaled ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tell me Easy Hack 42782 "remove a dog ! " is a joke !
Hi Julien, if you find the current explanation why the dog should go unconvincing, let's look at it from a different angle: how does it fare as a preview image? I'd say: okay-ish, but it's not great, a more conventional image would definitely work better. So, even if the bug was started for the wrong reason (I don't really think it was), there are other justifications for going through with it. Also, please note that the vast, vast, vast majority of Muslims aren't Taliban, I think it should be obvious why such a comment when said in earnest would be offensive to any Muslim contributor. As Khaled said: please keep your politics at home, especially if they're so uninformed by facts. Astron. (Arügh... sent that to Khaled only, not to the list at first...) ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tell me Easy Hack 42782 "remove a dog ! " is a joke !
Hi, On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:58:52AM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > I'm well aware that many people will not like many of the things that I > stand for, and be offended by some of my opinions :-) personally I'd > like to hope that I can still air them from time to time, and people > will put up with me: IMHO having some secularness and blandness > censorship filter of discourse on IRC will only create other channels > that people will migrate to. I am having a quite different mindset as Michael on the topic of religion, but I fully agree here. As for the original topic: Have you actually seen that dog? Its rather ugly and seems to be used as a placeholder where a dog is indeed inappropriate regardless of religion. As for the censorship: Lets keep some wellnatured teasing on IRC, it would not be fun without it. But lets also try to not offend others intentionally. Best, Bjoern -- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tell me Easy Hack 42782 "remove a dog ! " is a joke !
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 13:14 +0200, Khaled Hosny wrote: > I'm really offended by ... > This is a software project, if you have some political, > cultural or religious agenda, please take it somewhere else. I'm sorry you're offended Khaled; this is (I suspect) a consequence of our growth - that we have a diverse and healthy project: so we can now start the infighting ! :-) I'm well aware that many people will not like many of the things that I stand for, and be offended by some of my opinions :-) personally I'd like to hope that I can still air them from time to time, and people will put up with me: IMHO having some secularness and blandness censorship filter of discourse on IRC will only create other channels that people will migrate to. Endless discussion on these topics tends only to divert people from the hard business of learning about others & trying to understand, love them (not their opinions), and work together to do something good we all agree on. Anyhow - both you and Julien do fantastic work on LibreOffice which I (for one) value immensely. All the best, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tell me Easy Hack 42782 "remove a dog ! " is a joke !
Hi Julien, On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:03:15PM -0800, julien2412 wrote: > Hello, > > This morning I'm still angry about this tracker. I read it yesterday and > spoke my mind on IRC dev channel. I was glad I wasn't alone to think this > easyhack is nonsense. > I put a quick comment on this tracker but guys, I'd like to know your > opinion about this even it's not a "dev" subject. Though I can't care less about LibreOffice having a picture of dog or not, I'm really offended by your Islamophobic remarks, so please save us this nonsense. This is a software project, if you have some political, cultural or religious agenda, please take it somewhere else. Regards, Khaled ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] Tell me Easy Hack 42782 "remove a dog ! " is a joke !
Hello, This morning I'm still angry about this tracker. I read it yesterday and spoke my mind on IRC dev channel. I was glad I wasn't alone to think this easyhack is nonsense. I put a quick comment on this tracker but guys, I'd like to know your opinion about this even it's not a "dev" subject. Julien PS : I try to respond as soon as I'm available again -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Tell-me-Easy-Hack-42782-remove-a-dog-is-a-joke-tp3587827p3587827.html Sent from the Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
