Re: [Libreoffice] bug 36874 (label printing) further improvement?
some labels paper that I bought last year were not symmetric I found that too when I started to extend the label defintions (1700+ ...) in labels.xcu with paper height and paper width. And also that by rounding off the calculated paper size can differ +/- 2mm from the actual size, especially when the labels are small. Of the 1789 label definitions (including cards), 1418 are symmetrical and of standard paper size (A4, A5 or Letter). The remaining 371 have either unusual/incorrect dimensions or are not symmetrical. This encourages me to continue with the enhancement of including pper size in the labels.xcu file. A question therefore: What is best: -to use bug 36874 (state resolved fixed) for this thread -to create a new bug (with reference to 36874) -use this list for all comments/discussion etc.? I think it would be good to have the comments together (traceable). Wise men, please advise :) And another question: many labeldefinitions in labels.xcu have German descriptions (e.g. from manufacturer Herma). Should these be translated to English? :( Winfried ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] bug 36874 (label printing) further improvement?
Hi, On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 11:23:44AM +0100, Winfried Donkers wrote: What is best: -to use bug 36874 (state resolved fixed) for this thread -to create a new bug (with reference to 36874) -use this list for all comments/discussion etc.? I think it would be good to have the comments together (traceable). thats a matter of taste mostly. Here is what I would do: - change the title of 36874 to include only what was fixed - make a new bug for the stuff that still needs to be improved - make the new bug depend on 36874 That way: - you dont get one huge bug in which one gets lost in the comments - you can still see both bugs to be closely related and the comments from the other one are easy to find Best, Bjoern ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] bug 36874 (label printing) further improvement?
Winfried Donkers píše v Čt 05. 01. 2012 v 11:23 +0100: Of the 1789 label definitions (including cards), 1418 are symmetrical and of standard paper size (A4, A5 or Letter). The remaining 371 have either unusual/incorrect dimensions or are not symmetrical. This encourages me to continue with the enhancement of including pper size in the labels.xcu file. Makes sense. A question therefore: What is best: -to create a new bug (with reference to 36874) This is the best solution if you want to store the most important comments on single page. The bug 36874 already is too long, so I suggest to leave it closed. It did his job and fixed 80% of labels... Alternatively, you might create wiki page for this feature and describe the status and solution there. -use this list This is the best place if you get into troubles with implementation and need hints from other developers. If you want to discuss the UI design, you might want to add libreoffice-ux-adv...@lists.freedesktop.org into CC. for all comments/discussion etc.? I think it would be good to have the comments together (traceable). IMHO, it is nice to have but it is not worth to spend too much time with it. If the solution is good, it will stay as is. If there are problems, they will get solved as they come. Your proposal is definitely an improvement and most people will like it. And another question: many labeldefinitions in labels.xcu have German descriptions (e.g. from manufacturer Herma). Should these be translated to English? :( Yup, it makes sense. You might ask on l...@global.libreoffice.org mailing list for help with translations. Thanks a lot for working on it. Best Regards, Petr ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] bug 36874 (label printing) further improvement?
Hi Winfried, On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 11:23 +0100, Winfried Donkers wrote: -use this list for all comments/discussion etc.? I think it would be good to have the comments together (traceable). I think, at this point - you touched the tar-baby and own the labels topic :-) I'm impressed by your research. So I'd just go on a wild fixing spree make it all beautiful, and send patches as you go - there is no real need for bugs, even if we want to get the fixes into 3.5.x it is no problem not to have bugs, if the git commit comment is verbose enough for a reviewer to be happy :-) The less admin overhead you have to suffer as you cleanup the better IMHO. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] bug 36874 (label printing) further improvement?
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 05:40:06PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: The less admin overhead you have to suffer as you cleanup the better IMHO. Having seen a bit of this tar-baby, I can understand Winfrieds desire to have the discussion tracable. This topic contains some nasty cornercases that have the tendency to pop up again after a few month by somebody who missed the original discussion. As it is easier (IMHO) to dig out a bug than it is to dig out discussions from mailing lists or to repeat the discussion, it can be a relief in the long term. So if Winfried prefers to document choices in the bug to feel safe, I dont think that is objectable (without that being a hard requirement, of course). Best, Bjoern ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] bug 36874 (label printing) further improvement?
So if Winfried prefers to document choices in the bug to feel safe, I dont think that is objectable (without that being a hard requirement, of course). Thank you for all your advice. I have created bug 44516 and will document the process there. I leave to you wise men to adjust all the sensitive setting in the bug (changing NEW to ..., assign it to me, etc. :) Ivan, I have been so bold as to enter you in the CC field so that you can monitor my progression and feed me with UI-hint when the time comes... Winfried ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] bug 36874 (label printing) further improvement?
Hi Rainer, hi Winfried, 03.01.2012 11:41, Rainer Bielefeld пишет: Winfried Donkers schrieb: (See bug 36874 (and this list) for history) I am quite willing to further improve the labelprinting functionality by adding the page size to the label definitions and label-creation code, but I need someone who is willing to improve/change the UI Hello, Ivan Timofeev was very active eliminating problems and improving GUI. Ivan, what do you think? Are you interested? Interested, but extremely busy the whole January through... :-( I'm sorry. But an UI is an easy piece of programming; Winfried, may be you need a few little tips to start, and then there will be no questions? If so, please ask on using the mailing list (or the IRC). Ivan ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] bug 36874 (label printing) further improvement?
Hi Ivan, Ivan, what do you think? Are you interested? Interested, but extremely busy the whole January through... :-( I'm sorry. But an UI is an easy piece of programming; Winfried, may be you need a few little tips to start, and then there will be no questions? If so, please ask on using the mailing list (or the IRC). I'm not out of work myself too, so it may well take me longer than just January... I will start on the structure (label definitions and coding). When that is done, I will certainly need tips to start (no recent experience with UI programming and then mostly with Borland C++ Builder). You'll hear from me :) Winfried ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] bug 36874 (label printing) further improvement?
Hello, Just to mix in the middle: from this and a previous mail from you: It would be much better if the label-definitions contain all dimensions, i.e. yes My calculation is based on the assumption (presumption?) that the page containing the labels is symmetrical, i.e. rotating the page 180 degrees is not a problem, left margine equals right margin and top margin equals bottom margin. some labels paper that I bought last year (I guess of too bad quality) were not symmetric But anyway, the change is already very good. Thanks regards Pierre-André ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] bug 36874 (label printing) further improvement?
My calculation is based on the assumption (presumption?) that the page containing the labels is symmetrical, i.e. rotating the page 180 degrees is not a problem, left margine equals right margin and top margin equals bottom margin. some labels paper that I bought last year (I guess of too bad quality) were not symmetric I found that too when I started to extend the label defintions (1700+ ...) in labels.xcu with paper height and paper width. And also that by rounding off the calculated paper size can differ +/- 2mm from the actual size, especially when the labels are small. Winfried ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] bug 36874 (label printing) further improvement?
(See bug 36874 (and this list) for history) It would be much better if the label-definitions contain all dimensions, i.e. should include either right margin and bottom margin or the page size. The visualization is crazy. It would be great to fix it. For users, label printing is mostly troublesome, so any extra user-friendliness of the application is a plus. I am quite willing to further improve the labelprinting functionality by adding the page size to the label definitions and label-creation code, but I need someone who is willing to improve/change the UI (label wizard dialog) with me. Anyone wanting to co-hack? Winfried ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] bug 36874 (label printing) further improvement?
Winfried Donkers schrieb: (See bug 36874 (and this list) for history) I am quite willing to further improve the labelprinting functionality by adding the page size to the label definitions and label-creation code, but I need someone who is willing to improve/change the UI Hello, Ivan Timofeev was very active eliminating problems and improving GUI. Ivan, what do you think? Are you interested? Best regards Rainer ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
