Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Astron, Stefan Knorr (Astron) píše v Čt 24. 01. 2013 v 17:28 +0100: > So, this leads me to believe that we're best of just removing the > background images feature from 4.0. I believe I've removed this already for RC1: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?h=libreoffice-4-0&id=d8e1fed0f6f83d03a5075cfe3c0c6b10a7d4e167 It is still there in master though, so that I can continue on that there at some stage; are you seeing it in the 4.0 RC1 or later builds, please? > Again, this is now a feature for after 4.0. Yes - might be good to create a Whiteboard for that, maybe? All the best, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
No, I don’t agree on removing the feature from 4.0. We should improve its rough edges instead of going the easy way. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Stefan Knorr (Astron) wrote: > Hi Michel, Kendy, > > * sorry this comes so late... * > > tldr: The background image UI should really go if it won't work. > > > On 18 January 2013 10:03, Jan Holesovsky wrote: >>> May i make some suggestions on the pref panel ? >>> - why not keep the "own image" to select an image in local hd ? > > Hm ... well, for Firefox, there's a persona builder add-on to do that. > I think it can also upload personas, so in a way, that's covered. > > Additionally, of course, the background image functionality still > doesn't work in master – so, given how... > * we would need Kendy to work on this functionality, so it actually works > * we would need string changes to point out that background images and > personas are mutually exclusive (as you (Michel) already noticed) > > So, this leads me to believe that we're best of just removing the > background images feature from 4.0. > >>> - if i understand ok (images and personas are exclusive), we can have >>> the choices : >>> *Toolbar background* >>> O Default >>> O Image >>> O Firefox Persona >>> >>> (I renamed "own image" to "Image") > > Overall, I agree to this structure... and I am actually fine with the > shorter option titles – instead of the long options, a short > introductory text above telling users unaware of the feature what > Personas are would be nice (like "Use Personas to customize the > background of your toolbar." not sure if needs any more than that). > Again, this is now a feature for after 4.0. > > >>> - would it be possible to add a preview of image/persona ? >>> and a status text if there is an error (error loading image, error >>> loading persona, timeout...). > > Agree. > > * * * > > On the design list, I wrote a small critique on the discoverability of > the personas feature comparing it to the Firefox feature without any > real solutions, just fyi... > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-new-old-branding-tp4028724p4030504.html > > Astron. > ___ > Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list > libreoffice-ux-adv...@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise -- Adolfo ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Michel, Kendy, * sorry this comes so late... * tldr: The background image UI should really go if it won't work. On 18 January 2013 10:03, Jan Holesovsky wrote: >> May i make some suggestions on the pref panel ? >> - why not keep the "own image" to select an image in local hd ? Hm ... well, for Firefox, there's a persona builder add-on to do that. I think it can also upload personas, so in a way, that's covered. Additionally, of course, the background image functionality still doesn't work in master – so, given how... * we would need Kendy to work on this functionality, so it actually works * we would need string changes to point out that background images and personas are mutually exclusive (as you (Michel) already noticed) So, this leads me to believe that we're best of just removing the background images feature from 4.0. >> - if i understand ok (images and personas are exclusive), we can have >> the choices : >> *Toolbar background* >> O Default >> O Image >> O Firefox Persona >> >> (I renamed "own image" to "Image") Overall, I agree to this structure... and I am actually fine with the shorter option titles – instead of the long options, a short introductory text above telling users unaware of the feature what Personas are would be nice (like "Use Personas to customize the background of your toolbar." not sure if needs any more than that). Again, this is now a feature for after 4.0. >> - would it be possible to add a preview of image/persona ? >> and a status text if there is an error (error loading image, error >> loading persona, timeout...). Agree. * * * On the design list, I wrote a small critique on the discoverability of the personas feature comparing it to the Firefox feature without any real solutions, just fyi... http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-new-old-branding-tp4028724p4030504.html Astron. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Michel, Michel Renon píše v St 09. 01. 2013 v 18:15 +0100: > May i make some suggestions on the pref panel ? > - why not keep the "own image" to select an image in local hd ? > - if i understand ok (images and personas are exclusive), we can have > the choices : > *Toolbar background* > O Default > O Image > O Firefox Persona > > (I renamed "own image" to "Image") I've updated the wording there already based on the Astron's suggestions - I hope it works for you too? > - would it be possible to add a preview of image/persona ? > and a status text if there is an error (error loading image, error > loading persona, timeout...). > From a user pov, it's an expected feed-back before validating. Very good idea - unfortunately more for 4.1, it's too late to do it now. I'll keep it in mind, thank you! > - to be complete, LO should keep the path of image/url of persona, and > show it below the preview ; and the url should be entered automatically > in the persona dialog. I am not sure if it is useful to pre-file the current URL in the Persona dialog - it is supposed to be only a place to be pasted with the URL, no real editing, so... But showing the current Persona's URL might be good, indeed. All the best, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi all, Le 08/01/2013 11:07, Jan Holesovsky a écrit : Hi Cor, Cor Nouws píše v Po 07. 01. 2013 v 22:56 +0100: Idea looks great to me and is an invitement for futher enhancements in the future :-) I gues the code in a daily from 2012-12-28 (1) is not yet complet? I see the option page, but choosing an own background image does not work (file picker handling is broken) and a choosen persona is not shown... That's too old, you need a build post 2012-01-04. The 'own background' is not working even there, and will be removed from 4.0 if the Persona part is approved (otherwise both will go). I tested on build 2013-01-08 on Ubuntu 12.04 and nothing works :-( Btw, it's a nice feature ! As it's a user's choice, we have not to worry about readability of toobars. May i make some suggestions on the pref panel ? - why not keep the "own image" to select an image in local hd ? - if i understand ok (images and personas are exclusive), we can have the choices : *Toolbar background* O Default O Image O Firefox Persona (I renamed "own image" to "Image") - would it be possible to add a preview of image/persona ? and a status text if there is an error (error loading image, error loading persona, timeout...). From a user pov, it's an expected feed-back before validating. - to be complete, LO should keep the path of image/url of persona, and show it below the preview ; and the url should be entered automatically in the persona dialog. So my complete suggestion in ascii : *Toolbar background* O Default O Image O Firefox Persona [Status text, only if error] +---+ | | | preview | | | | | +---+ path/url : xx Thanks, Michel ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Kendy, all Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Jan Holesovsky < > kendy@ > > wrote: >> Please let me know if this is acceptable, and if you need any help with >> the review. > > It would be really nice to get this landed in 4.0. Many users ask for > greater UI customization, and this is a great start. Putting technical > issues aside, I don’t see UX problems in this. This is a quite nice feature although from my brief tests is only usable with Solid themes (artistic designs make buttons unreadable...) I tested under Windows XP with Version 4.1.0.0.alpha0+ (Build ID: ff927ba4272aa8f115472577ec9393df19016f2) TinderBox: Win-x86@6, Branch:master, Time: 2013-01-08_01:14:22 Background images (there is a typo in the Select Background Image button) are not loaded, neither jpg nor png Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LATE-FEATURE-Personas-in-LibreOffice-tp4027571p4027791.html Sent from the Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > Please let me know if this is acceptable, and if you need any help with the > review. It would be really nice to get this landed in 4.0. Many users ask for greater UI customization, and this is a great start. Putting technical issues aside, I don’t see UX problems in this. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
