Re: Aw: Re: Forced Updates? WTF?

2020-06-10 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Christoph,

Christoph Schäfer wrote:
> [LibreOffice auto-updated from 6.3 to 6.4 on Windows 10]
>
> I originally installed LO via the MSI installers from the TDF site,
> and I have no other "helpful software" regarding updates on my
> computers.
>
Then it's not possible the source of the problem is
LibreOffice. There's simply no code that would download a version &
force an update (without quite a bit of user interaction), in the
versions distributed from libreoffice.org.

There's a theoretical possibility, if instead you've installed the
Vanilla version from the Windows Store - that one got upgraded from
6.3 to 6.4, since 6.3 is now end of life. But your description would
not match that either, as that package does not ask for a reboot.

If you've further input (screenshots, exact versions, MSIs you've
used), can we please move this conversation to the QA list (in Cc), as
it's much better placed there (and if it's a real problem, we'd need a
bugreport filed anyway).

All the best,

-- Thorsten


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Re: Aw: Re: Forced Updates? WTF?

2020-06-09 Thread Ralf Quint

On 6/9/2020 3:18 PM, Christoph Schäfer wrote:

Hi,
It's true, I don't know what happened. I originally installed LO via the MSI installers from the 
TDF site, and I have no other "helpful software" regarding updates on my computers. Oh, 
wait, on my laptop I have installed a Windows update blocker, and yet the LO update happened in the 
background. At least on the laptop the "Recently Used" list wasn't lost, but the icon set 
reverted to the default setting. On my PC even the list was lost, the icon set was also changed, 
and the document restauration didn't work after the PC was forced to reboot, so I lost some work.

If TDF is responsible for this (and I added a qualifier to my original post), I 
actually consider this to be rude behaviour.
I have LO installed for years on each and every one of my computer, a 
couple of Windows 7 still, this laptop I am typing running Windows 8.1, 
3 PCs running Windows 10 as well as a MacBook Pro (High Sierra only 
though) and two machines running Linux Mint 19.1. Not one of them is 
"updating in the background", I usually do this on the Windows machines 
once a month via Ninite (though most of the initial install have been 
through what you are likely referring to as TDF), I have to download a 
newer version manually on the Mac (from TDF) and the only machines that 
semi-automatically offer updates for LO are those two Linux boxes, 
though I still have to select and confirm the update each and every time.


And at no time has any of those updates, on any of the systems above, 
messed with previous system settings, at least not in a way that I would 
have noticed...


Ralf


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Aw: Re: Forced Updates? WTF?

2020-06-09 Thread Christoph Schäfer


> Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Juni 2020 um 09:36 Uhr
> Von: "Mike Kaganski" 
> An: "Christoph Schäfer" , 
> LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org
> Betreff: Re: Forced Updates? WTF?
>
> On 09.06.2020 3:22, Christoph Schäfer wrote:
> > I never thought this was possible with LO, but it looks like the developers 
> > have chosen to override my default settings (notification, but no automatic 
> > updates). Yet, an update from 6.3 to 6.4 (Windows 10) has been enforced on 
> > me, which also led to data loss, as well as losing the "Recently Used" 
> > entries in the File dialogue.
> > 
> > 
> > If this wasn't an attempt by Microsoft to damage LO (I'm on Windows 10), I 
> > have to ask: What the hell were you thinking?
> > 
> > 
> > This is unacceptable.
> 
> ... so re-wording all that, "I don't know what had happened; and I don't
> tell you all the details (like how had I installed LO in the first place
> - e.g. from MSI taken from TDF site, or from Windows Store); and which
> "helpful software" might be installed on my system helping to keep
> software "up-to-date"; and I even don't know if that was some deliberate
> decision, or a bug, - but I choose to be rude from start."
> 
> I doubt it being acceptable.
> 
> -- 

Hi,

It's true, I don't know what happened. I originally installed LO via the MSI 
installers from the TDF site, and I have no other "helpful software" regarding 
updates on my computers. Oh, wait, on my laptop I have installed a Windows 
update blocker, and yet the LO update happened in the background. At least on 
the laptop the "Recently Used" list wasn't lost, but the icon set reverted to 
the default setting. On my PC even the list was lost, the icon set was also 
changed, and the document restauration didn't work after the PC was forced to 
reboot, so I lost some work.

If TDF is responsible for this (and I added a qualifier to my original post), I 
actually consider this to be rude behaviour.

Christoph


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