Re: ESC meeting minutes: 2023-02-23

[Patrick Luby]

On 2/23/23 10:34 AM, Miklos Vajna wrote:
     + langpack install on macOS: 
   + spotlight is just the messenger here (Cloph)

     + integrating the langpacks into the installer is problematic
     + including the help as well would mean it's too large
     + some regions want offline help
     + perhaps a compromise: bundle UI translations
   + would be the same as we do it on Windows


Just wanted to add some data so you can estimate how much bandwidth 
increase a Universal + all languages installer would cause.


Below is the size of the Universal .dmg installer download for 
NeoOffice's non-Mac App Store version on GitHub:


-r--r--r--@ 1 root  wheel  519299873 Nov  6 16:59 
NeoOffice-2022.5_Professional_Edition-Universal.dmg


This includes localizations and local help files for the following 
subset of languages:


ar ca cs da de el en-GB en-US es fi fr he hu it ja ko nb nl pl pt pt-BR 
ro ru sk sv th tr uk zh-CN zh-TW


ossible hacky solution: maybe the language pack installer just needs to 
have the Contents/MacOS/soffice executable included.


I have used small "patch installers" for many years to let users install 
a fix before doing a full release. It is a regular macOS installer that, 
like LibreOffice's language pack installer, unzips a bunch of 
application files in a temporary folder and then copies the files into 
an existing installation.


The one difference in my patch installer is that I include binaries 
(usually a few .dylibs) so I had to also include the soffice executable 
for codesigning to work.


Apparently, macOS won't notice that some of the application's files 
changed because including the executable causes codesigning to create a 
new Contents/_CodeSignature and that folder overwrites the existing 
Contents/_CodeSignature folder. Amazingly, macOS still doesn't complain 
that most of the .dylibs and resource files aren't in the list of 
codesigned files.


I don't know if this is a good solution but maybe it could buy a few 
more years before LibreOffice has to switch to one big installer for 
everybody.


Patrick

ESC meeting minutes: 2023-02-23

[Miklos Vajna]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Stephane, Caolan, Cloph, Olivier, Eike, Heiko, Ilmari, Michael W, 
Michael S, Miklos, Xisco, Thorsten, Hossein

* Completed Action Items:
+ deploy https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/lode/+/143788  "Extend kill-wrapper to 
also run on macOS" on the Jenkins slaves (Cloph)

* Pending Action Items:
+ Remove MAB section (Xisco)

* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 7.5 status: 7.5.1 rc2 is tagged
+ 7.4 status: 7.4.6 rc2 next week

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help; no news
+ HC2:
+ Refactoring for better maintainability (ohallot)
+ links between Help and wiki for calc funciotns) ohallot)
+ updates and fixes on terminology (S. Chaiklin, ohallot)
+ Fixes on HID links (ohallot)
+ Fixes in command line info (erack)
+ reduced to 0 for unconfirmed doc bugs (ohallot)
+ Guides
+ Getting started Guide 7.5: WIP (P. Schofield, J. Weber)

+ Bugzilla Documentation statistics
260(260) bugs open
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
   created 29(12)   52(9) 105(7)  312(10)
 commented 44(24)   94(30)234(-15)   1021(25)
  resolved  9(4)21(9)  46(5)  187(6)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Seth Chaiklin made 83 changes in 1 month, and 409 changes in 1 year
  Olivier Hallot made 64 changes in 1 month, and 426 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 19 changes in 1 month, and 99 changes in 1 year
  Stéphane Guillou made 16 changes in 1 month, and 124 changes in 1 year
  Ilmari Lauhakangas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 98 changes in 1 
year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 8 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 6 changes in 1 month, and 41 changes in 
1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 5 changes in 1 month, and 106 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Fauli made 5 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
  Rafael Lima made 4 changes in 1 month, and 115 changes in 1 year

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
277(277) (topicUI) bugs open, 84(84) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months
 added 11(-4) 26(-1) 37(1)   70(0)
 commented 82(-33)   280(-25)   661(23)2245(-22)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   4(0)   28(-2)
  resolved  9(-1) 32(-2) 82(-2) 285(-3)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Heiko Tietze made 152 changes in 1 month, and 1417 changes in 1 year
  Vernon, Stuart Foote made 57 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 
year
  Stéphane Guillou made 54 changes in 1 month, and 159 changes in 1 year
  Seth Chaiklin made 42 changes in 1 month, and 203 changes in 1 year
  Eyal Rozenberg made 29 changes in 1 month, and 259 changes in 1 year
  Rafael Lima made 23 changes in 1 month, and 235 changes in 1 year
  ady made 21 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 year
  Ilmari Lauhakangas made 21 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 
year
  McNamara, Caolán made 17 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 year
  John Mills made 12 changes in 1 month, and 20 changes in 1 year
+ [Bug 153788] Calc Tabbed UI toolbar area partially hidden, depending on
   os/DE text scaling
+ [Bug 153442] Cannot set caption order for individual object types in 
AutoCaption
+ [Bug 153784] Inputwin of Formula bar changing height
+ [Bug 153782] Line width name "Double hairline" is duplicated for two
   different format commands
+ [Bug 153770] Proposal to modify "Create Index or Table of Contents" and
   Type-dependent "Create From" sections in Type tab of ToC/Index
+ [Bug 153694] Localized Bold/Italic/Underline icons
+ [Bug 153721] Rename "Move Chapter Up/Down" to "Move Heading+Text Up/Down"
in Navigator
+ [Bug 153735] [UI] Paragraph Heading levels & Text Body
 -> + [Bug 153727] Calc 7.5 tiny formula bar font for japanese
+ [Bug 153722] Review needed of style groups "Chapter Styles" and "Text 
Styles"
+ [Bug 153712] "Chapter Info" should be named "Heading Info" (or "Heading")
   and "chapter entry" and its buddy dropdown box labels should be 
changed
+ [Bug 153527] LibreOffice 7.5 Calc: unable to apply formatting to all cells
   in spreadsheet
 -> + [Bug 153561] Rename "Chapter -> Heading" and "E# -> H#" in Entries tab of
   Insert Table of Contents, Index, Bibliography dialog
  + no objections (Michael S)
+ [Bug 153686] Default color for table borders in dark mode should be white
+ [Bug 151430] Groupedbar Compact UI : missing "columns..." entry of the
   "format" menu of the menu bar
+ [Bug 153673] "Chapter" label needs improvement in cross-references d