ESC meeting minutes: 2024-05-16
* Present: + Heiko, Olivier, Thorsten, Cloph, Hossein, Ilmari, Jonathan, Michael W, Xisco, Michael S, Caolan, Stephane, Miklos * Completed Action Items: + tdf#99528 Vertical tabs: invite Samuel next week if there are still burning fires (Heiko) + Samuel says not needed + revert for 24.8 if needed + unfortunately couldn't make it to the call (Thorsten) + the intention is to fix this, so it doesn't look broken + suggest to have a week before UI freeze to see where we are + original idea came from UX + afraid to wait for too long (Heiko) + if the change is controversial, agree (Thorsten) + if desirable: try to fix it + committed to put some effort into this + no very strong opinion on this + 4 high severity bugs for this topic so far (Xisco) + feels broken in its current state (Heiko) + except on gtk3 + suggest to review the state in 2 weeks and see the direction (Miklos) + like the idea + a recurring item (Xisco) + send welcome mail for Jonathan (Xisco) + enable the commit bit for Jonathan (Cloph) * Pending Action Items: * Release Engineering update (Cloph) + 24.2: 24.2.4 RC1 this week, today evening + 24.8: alpha was tagged earlier this week + feature freeze in 3 weeks + string / UI freeze 4 weeks after that + bug with Linux packaging: missing mapping, locally patched for now + if you have a late feature proposal, announce that here + MAR updater: + 2 channels? + keep on the old channel as long as possible? + update to the new channel as soon as possible? + stick to how the old update notification did it? + could also provide a dummy update to stop updates + context (Thorsten) + plan: 24.8 is enabled by default, without any user interaction + channel name is baked into the version + can tell people to edit some files + easiest is to decide on one policy and go with that + if we stop supporting a Windows version, there is no good option to do that + least bad: product is discontinued, then no obligation to have working LO there + perhaps update Windows requirement for 24.8, then we're good for the next few years + last time an ICU update triggered the Windows bump (Cloph) + concern: we ship an update then the new version can't be launched anymore + or only partially + if we stick to just 1 policy, then dummy update is a trick + if the update check sends OS info, it's easier + if single channel, which variant to use? (Cloph) + switch later, sooner, something in-between? + play it safe and start with the in-branch update first and only do major updates in the next cycle? + what browsers do (Hossein) + Chrome has 3 channels: stable, dev, canary + Firefox: minor versions (automatic) and then a major version (manually) + and now just similar to Chrome (automatic for all) + look at if this is relevant for us + browers always try to get to the latest (Thorsten) + for us: when a major update the least distruptive + can decide later when to cross-update (Cloph) + mid-cycle or when EOL is reached? + care about: the expecation is that EOL version is automatically updated (Thorsten) + stop running unmaintained, insecure software + run update in the background, then user decides if update now or later? (Hossein) + strongly feel against the idea of keep running insecure version (Thorsten) + default should be to update (unless you go via tools -> options) + agree, default to update is good (Hossein) + include OS info in the user agent? (Cloph) + like the idea (Thorsten) AI: do this or file a bug to do it (Cloph) * Documentation (Olivier) + Helpcontent2 + Help for RANDARRAY (ohallot, fito, Balasz) + Updates and fixes (ohallot) + Extended tips + Calc option view page (D. Maddern) + Guides + Work in progress. + IMpress 24.2 soon to be announced + Bugzilla Documentation statistics 257(257) bugs open + Updates: BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months created 12(-2) 46(7) 107(0) 220(-5) commented 12(-8) 70(9) 245(-10) 837(-17) resolved 6(-1) 28(5) 57(3) 123(2) + top 10 contributors: Olivier Hallot made 58 changes in 1 month, and 242 changes in 1 year Stéphane Guillou made 31 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year Vernon, Stuart Foote made 22 changes in 1 month, and 106 changes in 1 year Ilmari Lauhakangas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
ESC meeting minutes: 2024-05-16
* Present: + Heiko, Olivier, Thorsten, Cloph, Hossein, Ilmari, Jonathan, Michael W, Xisco, Michael S, Caolan, Stephane, Miklos * Completed Action Items: + tdf#99528 Vertical tabs: invite Samuel next week if there are still burning fires (Heiko) + Samuel says not needed + revert for 24.8 if needed + unfortunately couldn't make it to the call (Thorsten) + the intention is to fix this, so it doesn't look broken + suggest to have a week before UI freeze to see where we are + original idea came from UX + afraid to wait for too long (Heiko) + if the change is controversial, agree (Thorsten) + if desirable: try to fix it + committed to put some effort into this + no very strong opinion on this + 4 high severity bugs for this topic so far (Xisco) + feels broken in its current state (Heiko) + except on gtk3 + suggest to review the state in 2 weeks and see the direction (Miklos) + like the idea + a recurring item (Xisco) + send welcome mail for Jonathan (Xisco) + enable the commit bit for Jonathan (Cloph) * Pending Action Items: * Release Engineering update (Cloph) + 24.2: 24.2.4 RC1 this week, today evening + 24.8: alpha was tagged earlier this week + feature freeze in 3 weeks + string / UI freeze 4 weeks after that + bug with Linux packaging: missing mapping, locally patched for now + if you have a late feature proposal, announce that here + MAR updater: + 2 channels? + keep on the old channel as long as possible? + update to the new channel as soon as possible? + stick to how the old update notification did it? + could also provide a dummy update to stop updates + context (Thorsten) + plan: 24.8 is enabled by default, without any user interaction + channel name is baked into the version + can tell people to edit some files + easiest is to decide on one policy and go with that + if we stop supporting a Windows version, there is no good option to do that + least bad: product is discontinued, then no obligation to have working LO there + perhaps update Windows requirement for 24.8, then we're good for the next few years + last time an ICU update triggered the Windows bump (Cloph) + concern: we ship an update then the new version can't be launched anymore + or only partially + if we stick to just 1 policy, then dummy update is a trick + if the update check sends OS info, it's easier + if single channel, which variant to use? (Cloph) + switch later, sooner, something in-between? + play it safe and start with the in-branch update first and only do major updates in the next cycle? + what browsers do (Hossein) + Chrome has 3 channels: stable, dev, canary + Firefox: minor versions (automatic) and then a major version (manually) + and now just similar to Chrome (automatic for all) + look at if this is relevant for us + browers always try to get to the latest (Thorsten) + for us: when a major update the least distruptive + can decide later when to cross-update (Cloph) + mid-cycle or when EOL is reached? + care about: the expecation is that EOL version is automatically updated (Thorsten) + stop running unmaintained, insecure software + run update in the background, then user decides if update now or later? (Hossein) + strongly feel against the idea of keep running insecure version (Thorsten) + default should be to update (unless you go via tools -> options) + agree, default to update is good (Hossein) + include OS info in the user agent? (Cloph) + like the idea (Thorsten) AI: do this or file a bug to do it (Cloph) * Documentation (Olivier) + Helpcontent2 + Help for RANDARRAY (ohallot, fito, Balasz) + Updates and fixes (ohallot) + Extended tips + Calc option view page (D. Maddern) + Guides + Work in progress. + IMpress 24.2 soon to be announced + Bugzilla Documentation statistics 257(257) bugs open + Updates: BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months created 12(-2) 46(7) 107(0) 220(-5) commented 12(-8) 70(9) 245(-10) 837(-17) resolved 6(-1) 28(5) 57(3) 123(2) + top 10 contributors: Olivier Hallot made 58 changes in 1 month, and 242 changes in 1 year Stéphane Guillou made 31 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year Vernon, Stuart Foote made 22 changes in 1 month, and 106 changes in 1 year Ilmari Lauhakangas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
