Google; OOXML and ODF support wrt XSLX import/export filter funding

2013-03-11 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Moving away from MS formats seems a pretty smart move around now.  There are so 
many different versions of XlsX (2007's version, 2010's and now presumably 
2013's).  


I thought Keith's post was interesting because it seems people have spent some 
serious money just to find out what we already felt was the case.  I think 
Google still are a supporter of TDF but seem to have lost their way a bit.  

Regards from
Tom :)  






 From: Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com
To: Zeki Bildirici z...@ozgurlukicin.com 
Cc: market...@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013, 22:50
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Google and ODF support!
 
That is amazing. Google wrote this in their analysis of OpenXML:
(https://forums.scc.ca/forums/scc/dispatch.cgi/public/showFile/100294/d20070705225348/No/objections%20by%20Google.pdf)
-
Although OOXML may formally comply with Ecma, it was clearly not
designed with an “open” spirit. Comparing the current with the future
situation, interoperability is likely to become more difficult instead
of easier. The implementation of a fully compatible ODF importer (the
current efforts regarding .doc and .xls) is not an easy task, but it
is dwarfed by the implementation of a fully compatible OOXML importer,
which we estimate to take something between 50 – 500 person years, or
even longer. Therefore, although it is theoretically possible to
generate an OOXML document, this document will probably only use a
very small subset of the standard.
In sum, OOXML can be compared to Microsoft giving access to a
labyrinth to which it alone owns a map; moreover, certain tunnels
within this labyrinth are not accessible without a key that only
Microsoft has, and that third parties would need to replicate first.
(And, in doing so, these third parties would not know whether they
would violate any rights that exposes them to litigation).
-

It is sort of sad Google would reverse course and act against their
own interests. Also, I wonder why they didn't help to port LibreOffice
rather than buying QuickOffice. The current Android efforts in
LibreOffice are less than one person I believe. Imagine what Google
could have done with 5-10, let alone buying the proprietary
QuickOffice which employed 400 people.
(http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2018361838_apustecgoogleofficeapps1stldwritethru.html)
I suspect part of their decision was that they didn't want to take a
risk on LibreOffice, but it does seem they have too much money.

-Keith

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Zeki Bildirici z...@ozgurlukicin.com wrote:
 Hi,

 As you know Google currently is not supporting Open Document Format
 native in its services. Today i saw this article
 http://www.muktware.com/4529/why-google-killing-open-document-formats#.UTYr7U44lHE.twitter
 and remembered this issue.

 This article explains the situation quite well. I don't know the
 reason why Google does not support ODF, maybe it was discussed here
 before. But i think we may try to push Google to support ODF.

 I don't think there is a reasonable explanation for ignoring ODF and
 supporting MS Office formats and forcing people to convert their ODF
 to Google Docs format.

 Btw for comparasion, -yes not Skydrive of course- Yandex company with
 growing popularity in Turkey and Russia supports ODF in its Disk
 service. It may be an example for good aproach to ODF.

 What do you think about Google's positioning for ODF? Can we manage to
 force/attract Google to support ODF? I've mentioned and asked
 htps://twitter.com/cdibona about this matter but no replies yet

 Best regards,
 Zeki


 - http://support.google.com/drive/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=2423485

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Re: Google; OOXML and ODF support wrt XSLX import/export filter funding

2013-03-11 Thread Tor Lillqvist
No technical content, take this to the discuss list please.

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