Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-20 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi,

On Monday, 2014-11-10 22:43:42 +0100, David Ostrovsky wrote:

 Just to inform you, that Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0
 service on April 20, 2015, as explained in this announcement [1].

I wonder if Gerrit could be easily talked into additionally accepting
OpenID Connect (OAuth 2.0 login), the successor of OpenID 2.0, see also
http://openid.net/connect/
http://openid.net/2014/02/26/the-openid-foundation-launches-the-openid-connect-standard/
Google is explicitly mentioned as one of the implementors and Google is
betting big on OpenID Connect because it’s simple for developers to
understand and makes it easy to federate with identity providers.
(which effectively probably is the reason why they shutdown OpenID 2.0)
so the benefit of being already logged into Google (really, you want
that?) when login into Gerrit could persist.

https://developers.google.com/+/api/auth-migration#timetable
says mapping of OpenID 2.0 identifiers to OAuth 2.0 identifiers will
continue to work until January 1, 2017. so this might be attractive for
those who don't want to sign up with yet another OpenID provider.

Btw, for those who don't want a launchpad.net ID for religious reasons
there's a fedoraproject.org ID server ;-)

And it is always good to have at least two OpenID providers assigned to
one account.. as April 20 will tell..

  Eike

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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-14 Thread Mat M
Le Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:37:45 +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen  
bjoern.michael...@canonical.com a écrit:



On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:26:19AM +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
There is a
list:

 http://openid.net/get-an-openid/

and chances you already have one of those (including lots of smaller  
providers
like wordpress.com, livejournal). Also note that everyone who ever filed  
a bug

against Ubuntu has an OpenID as launchpad offers one.



FTR, stackexchange, editor of many websites (stackoverflow, askubuntu,...)  
is also providing an OpenID 2.0 service [0], if you deigned to create a  
login on them :)


Regards

Mat M
[0] https://openid.stackexchange.com
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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-13 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think that the most promising alternative would be to set up OpenID
 service on TDF infrastructure.

 between fedora,

I poked around, but couldn't find any publicly-accessible OpenID
service provided by Fedora the OS (I didn't poke at Fedora Commons).

 launchpad, yahoo, fb, blogger, wordpress, etc... there
 are already plenty.

Lots of people don't trust any of those services. I'm hesitant to
require contributors to enter into a trust agreement with a 3rd party
such as Canonical or Google as a requirement to contribute to
LibreOffice development. If it's at all technically possible, I think
our developers should have a choice.

 In fact it would prolly be best to recommend that people register in
 their gerrit account more than one openid to protect themselves again
 single-point-of-failure.

True (I'd regard that as an engineering flaw in the design of OpenID :-)

 Feature #308 (New): single sign-on for bugzilla and redmine
 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/308

 that is not an infra-related bug.. that is a Bugzilla 'bug'.

Insofar as we want to make it easier for people to use our bug tracker
(and other project resources), I see it as something of concern to
both our QA and Infra teams.

 there are a couple of seemingly abandoned attempt

Yep. I'd like to avoid having Persona for Bugzilla + MozTrap and then
a separate OpenID for Gerrit, Ask, Redmine, TDF Wiki, etc.., but
perhaps 2 sets of logins are preferable to 8.


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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi,

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 09:47:44AM +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
  I don't have FB account.
 
Yeah, they are notoriously hard to get.

There are prople who DO NOT WANT a FB account.

If you want to leave all those people (existing and future
contributors) behind, sure, do it via FB...

Regards,

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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Tor Lillqvist
 There are prople who DO NOT WANT a FB account.


But there are a lot of people who ALREADY HAVE ONE.

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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Stefan Weiberg
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It's not that they are hard to get but rather that not everyone wants
to set up a FB account. At least it is out of the question for me.

Another option (at least for the Google users) might be the Google+
Login. AFAIK everyone with a Google Account does have a Google+ Login
as well. This is obviously the option that Google recommends ;)

And I have to agree that the Yahoo system is horrible.

On 11.11.2014 08:47, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
 I don't have FB account.
 
 
 Yeah, they are notoriously hard to get.
 
 --tml
 
 
 
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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Stefan Weiberg
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Oh, and btw. Symantec uses a pretty good system for OpenID. It is
called Symantec Personal Identity Portal. Might be an option as well.

On 11.11.2014 09:59, Stefan Weiberg wrote:
 It's not that they are hard to get but rather that not everyone
 wants to set up a FB account. At least it is out of the question
 for me.
 
 Another option (at least for the Google users) might be the
 Google+ Login. AFAIK everyone with a Google Account does have a
 Google+ Login as well. This is obviously the option that Google
 recommends ;)
 
 And I have to agree that the Yahoo system is horrible.
 
 On 11.11.2014 08:47, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
 I don't have FB account.
 
 
 Yeah, they are notoriously hard to get.
 
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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Stefan Weiberg
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There should be no problem using this FB account for OpenID login if
it is supported by FB (I don't know because I don't use FB).

In my case Symantec PIP as an OpenID provider just works fine and I
can use it to register and login to gerrit.

On 11.11.2014 09:58, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
 There are prople who DO NOT WANT a FB account.
 
 
 But there are a lot of people who ALREADY HAVE ONE.
 
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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Tor Lillqvist
 There should be no problem using this FB account for OpenID login if
 it is supported by FB (I don't know because I don't use FB).


I doubt it is. OpenID seems dead or dying anyway, no?

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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:26:19AM +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
 Bah. Why not use Facebook?

Lets not Flamefest around each and every possible OpenID provider. There is a
list:

 http://openid.net/get-an-openid/

and chances you already have one of those (including lots of smaller providers
like wordpress.com, livejournal). Also note that everyone who ever filed a bug
against Ubuntu has an OpenID as launchpad offers one.

Again: Lets not fight over individual providers as there are enough
alternatives.

Best,

Bjoern
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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Wols Lists
On 11/11/14 08:56, Rene Engelhard wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 09:47:44AM +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
   I don't have FB account.
  
 Yeah, they are notoriously hard to get.

 There are prople who DO NOT WANT a FB account.

Count me in that list!

Cheers,
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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:43 PM, David Ostrovsky d.ostrov...@gmx.de wrote:

 Just to inform you, that Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0
 service on April 20, 2015, as explained in this announcement [1].

 I know that some folks use it for Gerrit authentication.

Does github has a openid 2.0 service ? does it work with gerrit ?
What is the replacement that the gerrit project plan to use
(after all a lot of the project is google-centric no ? )

 I think that the most promising alternative would be to set up OpenID
 service on TDF infrastructure.

Do you know how to do that ?
But more to the point, what is the benefit of having a openid provider
for _one_ service...
I mean I use the google one because I also use gmail, so by the time I
want to go to gerrit I'm already logged-in
If that is not the case, how is it better than just handling
user/passowrd the good old way (via the web server) ?

btw, I think the biggest design problem of gerrit, wrt to Auth, is
this all-or-nothing approach.
If we could activate openid _and/or_passowrd _and/or_ LDAP
We would not have to care much about google dropping openID


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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Wols Lists
On 11/11/14 15:07, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:43 PM, David Ostrovsky d.ostrov...@gmx.de wrote:
 
  Just to inform you, that Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0
  service on April 20, 2015, as explained in this announcement [1].
 
  I know that some folks use it for Gerrit authentication.
 Does github has a openid 2.0 service ? does it work with gerrit ?
 What is the replacement that the gerrit project plan to use
 (after all a lot of the project is google-centric no ? )
 
  I think that the most promising alternative would be to set up OpenID
  service on TDF infrastructure.
 Do you know how to do that ?
 But more to the point, what is the benefit of having a openid provider
 for _one_ service...

I was thinking along those lines...

Would there be any interest amongst other Libre Software projects in
maintaining a shared OpenID infrastructure?

Cheers,
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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote:
 On 11/11/14 15:07, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:43 PM, David Ostrovsky d.ostrov...@gmx.de wrote:
 
  Just to inform you, that Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0
  service on April 20, 2015, as explained in this announcement [1].
 
  I know that some folks use it for Gerrit authentication.
 Does github has a openid 2.0 service ? does it work with gerrit ?
 What is the replacement that the gerrit project plan to use
 (after all a lot of the project is google-centric no ? )

  I think that the most promising alternative would be to set up OpenID
  service on TDF infrastructure.
 Do you know how to do that ?
 But more to the point, what is the benefit of having a openid provider
 for _one_ service...

 I was thinking along those lines...

 Would there be any interest amongst other Libre Software projects in
 maintaining a shared OpenID infrastructure?

That is not the axes I was describing.. I was not talking about the
issue of shrea/duplicated infrastructure but the issue from the user
perspective... well from _this_ user perspective.
1/ there is a need of an auth step
2/ that involve a key and/or a user/password
3/ where google openid is a big win for me is that, if I am already
logged-in to gmail, then I get gerrit login for 'free' no additional
user/password to type.
4/ having a tdf openid (or any other openid for that matter) is
negating that benefit unless I am already logged in to another service
sharing that openid.. Which I do not.
So your mileage may vary, but for me, if it is not gmail centric then
there is no difference between openid and a regular user/password
scheme.
5/ if it is just a matter of having a 'shared' openid, hosted by an
open source project.. then, as Bjoern mentioned, there is already
launchpad to fulfill that function. it already exist, is widely used,
has to have a well supported and maintained infra behind it that
guarantee a very high uptime, and has already strong incentive to make
sure the thing is as secured as it can be... I do not see the point of
re-inventing the wheel. we have better things to do with our infra
than indulge in NIH syndrome.
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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 09:07:11AM -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:
 But more to the point, what is the benefit of having a openid provider
 for _one_ service...

There are other TDF services running with OpenID, ask.libreoffice.org for
example. The TDF wiki and Redmine could do the same at some point in time:

 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID
 http://www.redmine.org/issues/699

I, for one, would welcome not having to handle a bazillion different logins in
the long run.

Best,

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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
For the record

We have 682 distinct gerrit registered user with a google-based openid
(out of 810 registered users)

unless I screwed up my sql statement, I count 12 account that have
another openid provider beside google

so that leave 670 people that _need_ to do something before Aprils
2015, or they won;t be able to log-in (and btw fixing that _after_ the
fact will be a MAJOR pita.)


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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Wols Lists
On 11/11/14 16:14, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:
 so that leave 670 people that _need_ to do something before Aprils
 2015, or they won;t be able to log-in (and btw fixing that _after_ the
 fact will be a MAJOR pita.)

Sound like you need to :-(

1) stop accepting new sign-ups with a Google OpenID (allow them to add
them, though :-)

2) Start sending nag-mails to people who only have Google OpenID, saying
that as soon as they add a second id the nagmails will stop.

Yes, it's a pita :-(

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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote:
 On 11/11/14 16:14, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:
 so that leave 670 people that _need_ to do something before Aprils
 2015, or they won;t be able to log-in (and btw fixing that _after_ the
 fact will be a MAJOR pita.)

 Sound like you need to :-(

 1) stop accepting new sign-ups with a Google OpenID (allow them to add
 them, though :-)

yes in theory.. in practice my best compromized would be to remove the
convenient 'link' to google on the login page... to limit it being
used by virtue of the principle of least resistance'

 2) Start sending nag-mails to people who only have Google OpenID, saying
 that as soon as they add a second id the nagmails will stop.

yes.. I already worked out the sql request to get a list of email to nag.

We will try to discuss that at the next ESC to see what the consensus
is moving forward.
(just because I _have_ access to the emails, does not mean I should
feel free to start blasting spam on my own accord :-) )


 Yes, it's a pita :-(

nah.. that is the easy part.. the pita is what to do when a user only
has a google-openid attached to his account after google stop the
service...
Then the user need to create a new account, and I need to run some
home-made sql-statement to 'merge' the new account and the old one...
then I need to flush the caches... all in all time consuming, risky and messy.

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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:43 PM, David Ostrovsky d.ostrov...@gmx.de wrote:

 Just to inform you, that Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0
 service on April 20, 2015, as explained in this announcement [1].
 ...
 I think that the most promising alternative would be to set up OpenID
 service on TDF infrastructure.

Relevant infrastructure bugs:

Feature #65 (Feedback): Investigate TDF-run OpenID server
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/65

Feature #308 (New): single sign-on for bugzilla and redmine
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/308

Best,
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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:37:45AM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:26:19AM +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
  Bah. Why not use Facebook?
 
 Lets not Flamefest around each and every possible OpenID provider. There is a
 list:
 
  http://openid.net/get-an-openid/
 
 and chances you already have one of those (including lots of smaller providers
 like wordpress.com, livejournal). Also note that everyone who ever filed a bug

I do. (Google :))

 against Ubuntu has an OpenID as launchpad offers one.

Even less wanted than Facebook.

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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:43 PM, David Ostrovsky d.ostrov...@gmx.de wrote:

 Just to inform you, that Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0
 service on April 20, 2015, as explained in this announcement [1].
 ...
 I think that the most promising alternative would be to set up OpenID
 service on TDF infrastructure.

 Relevant infrastructure bugs:

 Feature #65 (Feedback): Investigate TDF-run OpenID server
 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/65

As discussed, I think that would be re-inventing the wheel, and as
good as our infra is, having a reliable, secure, scalable, always up,
sign-on service is way outside its scope and means.

between fedora, launchpad, yahoo, fb, blogger, wordpress, etc... there
are already plenty.
In fact it would prolly be best to recommend that people register in
their gerrit account more than one openid to protect themselves again
single-point-of-failure.


 Feature #308 (New): single sign-on for bugzilla and redmine
 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/308

that is not an infra-related bug.. that is a Bugzilla 'bug'. bugzilla
does not support open-id login, and no plug-in in existence does
either.
there are a couple of seemingly abandoned attempt, none of which are
remotely close to be usable.



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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think that the most promising alternative would be to set up OpenID
 service on TDF infrastructure.

 between fedora,

 I poked around, but couldn't find any publicly-accessible OpenID
 service provided by Fedora the OS (I didn't poke at Fedora Commons).

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenID

I have not tried to get one myselft, but I have seen them used to log
on to gerrit.


 launchpad, yahoo, fb, blogger, wordpress, etc... there
 are already plenty.

 Lots of people don't trust any of those services. I'm hesitant to
 require contributors to enter into a trust agreement with a 3rd party
 such as Canonical or Google as a requirement to contribute to
 LibreOffice development. If it's at all technically possible, I think
 our developers should have a choice.

That ship has sailed.
We _already_ require that.
The only problem now is that google is leaving the field.

 Feature #308 (New): single sign-on for bugzilla and redmine
 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/308

 that is not an infra-related bug.. that is a Bugzilla 'bug'.

 Insofar as we want to make it easier for people to use our bug tracker
 (and other project resources), I see it as something of concern to
 both our QA and Infra teams.

'Infra' is about providing and infra-structure and insuring its
availability, not coding new features in upstream project.


 there are a couple of seemingly abandoned attempt

 Yep. I'd like to avoid having Persona for Bugzilla + MozTrap and then
 a separate OpenID for Gerrit, Ask, Redmine, TDF Wiki, etc.., but
 perhaps 2 sets of logins are preferable to 8.

Having a TDF hosted openid will not solve that issue.
and unless there is a universal single-signon method supported by all
these tools, this is just the way it is.
Solving that problem is an effort to be done upstream, in bugzilla and Moztrap

btw: 
http://www.eweek.com/blogs/security-watch/mozilla-gives-up-on-persona-single-sign-on-for-now.html


but if we seriously want a hosted system, the only thing that is know
to work is LDAP...
I'm not quite fluent in ldap, but I am under the impression that it is
not well suited to 'open public registration' kind of scheme

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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-11 Thread Norbert Thiebaud

 but if we seriously want a hosted system, the only thing that is know
 to work is LDAP...
 I'm not quite fluent in ldap, but I am under the impression that it is
 not well suited to 'open public registration' kind of scheme

I stumbled upon:
https://code.google.com/p/pwm/

so maybe ldap is a workable solution using existing component

anyhow.. that is way on a tangent... from the initial and more
immediate problem of google openid going away.

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Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-10 Thread David Ostrovsky

Just to inform you, that Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0
service on April 20, 2015, as explained in this announcement [1].

I know that some folks use it for Gerrit authentication.

There are two pending issues in Gerrit's issue tracker [2], [3].
One tries to switch to LDAP (sucks for open source projects, obviously),
another one to GitHub's OpenID. I never tried Yahoo!, though, but rumor
has it that it sucks too.

I think that the most promising alternative would be to set up OpenID
service on TDF infrastructure. 

[1] https://developers.google.com/+/api/auth-migration#timetable
[2] https://code.google.com/p/gerrit/issues/detail?id=2715
[3] https://code.google.com/p/gerrit/issues/detail?id=2677


David

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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-10 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Bah. Why not use Facebook?

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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-10 Thread KAMI911 KAMI911
Hi,

What about to use Persona? It also integrates to Bugzilla to. Both are
Mozilla related stuff.

Üdvözlettel / Best Regards:

Kálmán (KAMI) Szalai

2014-11-11 7:26 GMT+01:00 Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi:

 Bah. Why not use Facebook?

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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-10 Thread David Ostrovsky
On Tue, 2014-11-11 at 08:26 +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
 Bah. Why not use Facebook?
 

I don't have FB account.

David


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Re: Google shuts down the OpenID 2.0 on April 20, 2015

2014-11-10 Thread Tor Lillqvist
 I don't have FB account.


Yeah, they are notoriously hard to get.

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