Re: New Tags on BSA

2013-05-07 Thread Rob Snelders
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Hi All,

Why is it moved? this way really borks the usage of this page for me.
Now there is no overview anymore of all subcomponents.

Also we discussed about 1 to 2 months ago to move the
component-explanation to the /QA/BSA-page so that people know that
when they change something that it can reflect problems in the BSA.
Why move it again and in this way. Now nobody knows anymore what
reflects anything in the BSA. I _really_ don't like this change and
please next time inform the BSA-crew _before_ changing all this. I
know that I haven't been much around lately but about a month ago we
discussed this and apparently this has been forgotten already.

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Greetings,
Rob Snelders

Op 06-05-13 20:52, Noel Grandin schreef:
 this has some nice XSLT explanations
 
 http://www.w3schools.com/xsl/
 
 with explanations and an on-line executor here 
 http://www.w3schools.com/xsl/xsl_examples.asp
 
 The hardest part is normally working out the XPath expressions to
 use in the match values.
 

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Re: New Tags on BSA

2013-05-07 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 Just a warning that some edits to our wiki seems to have broken our ability
 to update BSA. Rob and Robinson are actively trying to solve the problem but
 it could be an issue with upcoming release.

Update: The BSA update process has been fixed, so there shouldn't be
any barrier to us making changes needed for the upcoming release.

A big thanks to Joel for helping to test and apply the BSA-related patches.

Cheers,
--R
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Tags on BSA

2013-05-07 Thread Robinson Tryon
(moving to just QA, as now we're getting into the nitty-gritty)

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Rob Snelders libreoff...@ertai.nl wrote:
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 Hi All,

 Why is it moved?

We (well, mostly me) were trying to clean up the documentation of
Bugzilla, the BSA, etc. I tried to ping most people involved with
these pages including Joel and you, and have been wading through the
pages of documentation as best as I am able.

Nobody has been able to step up and tell me how these pages fit
together yet, so that's why I've been chatting with Joel and others
and trying to fold these disparate pages together.

 this way really borks the usage of this page for me.
 Now there is no overview anymore of all subcomponents.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean about not having a general overview
of all subcomponents, but that is one piece that I've been discussing
with Joel and others. I'd love to know how you use the subcomponents
and what kind of general overview is helpful. I'm sure we can set up
one page with all of the content on it, if that's something that would
help you in the triage process.

When reorganizing the pages it seemed like there were two different
kinds of subcomponents. One was called Key words, but was
different from the keywords in the Whiteboard field. These seemed more
like... categories?  (e.g. FILEOPEN) Then there were other ones that
were like proper subcomponents -- e.g. ASKLIBREOFFICE. Based on what
I heard from Joel, Joren, and others, the terminology here is quite
confusing and I think that if you have a better name for this type of
data, that would be greatly appreciated.

 Also we discussed about 1 to 2 months ago to move the
 component-explanation to the /QA/BSA-page so that people know that
 when they change something that it can reflect problems in the BSA.
 Why move it again and in this way. Now nobody knows anymore what
 reflects anything in the BSA.

It was my understanding when we initially moved that page that the
BugReport_Details page wast just for the BSA. Since then, I have
discovered that the page content was also being used by FDO. That's
why I suggested and then implemented refactoring those sections under
QA/Bugzilla -- to more-correctly reflect that the content is shared by
both FDO and by the BSA.

 I _really_ don't like this change and
 please next time inform the BSA-crew _before_ changing all this.

Sure, I'll do that. I'd like to continue to clean up the rest of the
documentation here, as it's still very messy. Is that something that
you'll have time to help out with?

As an example, we have some stale information on the page about version 3.8:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details#New_Versions_2012-06-20

 I
 know that I haven't been much around lately but about a month ago we
 discussed this and apparently this has been forgotten already.

As I mentioned above, this documentation is not BSA-specific, so
that's why I'm trying to move the content out to be under the
QA/Bugzilla pages. If there is BSA-specific content, I agree that we
should keep it under QA/BSA.


Cheers,
--R
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Tags on BSA

2013-05-07 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 Just a warning that some edits to our wiki seems to have broken our ability
 to update BSA. Rob and Robinson are actively trying to solve the problem but
 it could be an issue with upcoming release.

Update: The BSA update process has been fixed, so there shouldn't be
any barrier to us making changes needed for the upcoming release.

A big thanks to Joel for helping to test and apply the BSA-related patches.

Cheers,
--R
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New Tags on BSA

2013-05-06 Thread Joel Madero
Hi All,

Just a warning that some edits to our wiki seems to have broken our ability
to update BSA. Rob and Robinson are actively trying to solve the problem
but it could be an issue with upcoming release.

I will keep everyone up to date (or Robinson/Rob can reply and let us all
know the status). I think this is a major priority to get solved before
release - apologies that I don't understand the code enough to contribute,
hopefully it's not a major problem.


Best,
Joel

P.S. Robinson - would reverting changes to wiki be best solution until it's
solved? Or you think this will be taken care of in the next few days?

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Re: New Tags on BSA

2013-05-06 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 Just a warning that some edits to our wiki seems to have broken our ability
 to update BSA. Rob and Robinson are actively trying to solve the problem but
 it could be an issue with upcoming release.

 I will keep everyone up to date (or Robinson/Rob can reply and let us all
 know the status). I think this is a major priority to get solved before
 release - apologies that I don't understand the code enough to contribute,
 hopefully it's not a major problem.

If someone can give me a pointer on how to use XSL to pull out one DIV
each from N pages and shove them into a single page, then I think
we'll be all set. The XSL documentation seems a bit dense...

 P.S. Robinson - would reverting changes to wiki be best solution until it's
 solved? Or you think this will be taken care of in the next few days?

I can hack together a wiki page that transcludes a bunch of other wiki
pages, and I think that would do just fine, but I'd view that as just
a temporary solution...

--R
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Re: New Tags on BSA

2013-05-06 Thread Joel Madero
Hey Robinson,


 I can hack together a wiki page that transcludes a bunch of other wiki
 pages, and I think that would do just fine, but I'd view that as just
 a temporary solution...


Indeed, I think if we don't have the problem solved in the next 2-3 days
maybe (if it's not a lot of work) we can move forward with a temporary
solution?


Best,
Joel

P.S. Thanks for the update and hopefully you can get the details that you
need

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Re: New Tags on BSA

2013-05-06 Thread Noel Grandin
this has some nice XSLT explanations

http://www.w3schools.com/xsl/

with explanations and an on-line executor here
http://www.w3schools.com/xsl/xsl_examples.asp

The hardest part is normally working out the XPath expressions to use
in the match values.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Tags on BSA

2013-05-06 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 Just a warning that some edits to our wiki seems to have broken our ability
 to update BSA. Rob and Robinson are actively trying to solve the problem but
 it could be an issue with upcoming release.

 I will keep everyone up to date (or Robinson/Rob can reply and let us all
 know the status). I think this is a major priority to get solved before
 release - apologies that I don't understand the code enough to contribute,
 hopefully it's not a major problem.

If someone can give me a pointer on how to use XSL to pull out one DIV
each from N pages and shove them into a single page, then I think
we'll be all set. The XSL documentation seems a bit dense...

 P.S. Robinson - would reverting changes to wiki be best solution until it's
 solved? Or you think this will be taken care of in the next few days?

I can hack together a wiki page that transcludes a bunch of other wiki
pages, and I think that would do just fine, but I'd view that as just
a temporary solution...

--R
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Tags on BSA

2013-05-06 Thread Joel Madero
Hey Robinson,


 I can hack together a wiki page that transcludes a bunch of other wiki
 pages, and I think that would do just fine, but I'd view that as just
 a temporary solution...


Indeed, I think if we don't have the problem solved in the next 2-3 days
maybe (if it's not a lot of work) we can move forward with a temporary
solution?


Best,
Joel

P.S. Thanks for the update and hopefully you can get the details that you
need

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LibreOffice QA Volunteer
jmadero@gmail.com
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Tags on BSA

2013-05-06 Thread Noel Grandin
this has some nice XSLT explanations

http://www.w3schools.com/xsl/

with explanations and an on-line executor here
http://www.w3schools.com/xsl/xsl_examples.asp

The hardest part is normally working out the XPath expressions to use
in the match values.
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