Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Hi Jean, On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 21:11 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Jonas wrote: Assuming someone cares to implement it... and you're are welcome to step up to the plate :) .. I strongly disagree : it is you who must not to destroy what is working very well. Jean - this sort of adjective destroy, is a shame to apply to some wonderful work that will really help millions to edit formulae in a more simple and effective way - for which we should be extremely grateful to Jonas. It distresses me to see developers criticised for introducing some minor bug or regression along with a huge improvement: which this work is (even if you don't appreciate the added function) :-) Ok, maybe my word destroy was too strong, I should have written break. Sorry for that, but writing in English is not so easy for me. I was afraid to return 15 years back and loose one of the main advantages of OOo/LibO for my professional use. That said I think it is very important to not forget, if we need to have new developers, that developers need to be supported by advanced users who probably are the main evangelists of LibO. So it is very important that these advanced users are not discouraged by code changes that break their usual practice, even maybe their professional use of LibO. Programming is difficult and a great game too, but we (I am programmer too but not (yet ?) in this area) must keep in mind that, behind the software, there is end-users who do not play with it. To be positive, I suggest that we have a list of experimental functions which are currently under development. And it would be more user friendly if we had a configuration tab where we could activate or deactivate separately each experimental feature. Last thing, if I agree that specification constraints in OOo are too cumbersome, I think we should have, at least, a bug report (enhancement) for each new feature which describe what this new feature will do and what changes to the existing features are planned. By announcing these new features on the dev list, everybody who is interested in the development of LibO will be aware of planned new features and experienced users will be able to help the developers with the point of view of end-users. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Hi Jean, On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 21:11 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Jonas wrote: Assuming someone cares to implement it... and you're are welcome to step up to the plate :) .. I strongly disagree : it is you who must not to destroy what is working very well. Jean - this sort of adjective destroy, is a shame to apply to some wonderful work that will really help millions to edit formulae in a more simple and effective way - for which we should be extremely grateful to Jonas. It distresses me to see developers criticised for introducing some minor bug or regression along with a huge improvement: which this work is (even if you don't appreciate the added function) :-) The programming problem of fixing the cursor / selection is not a very difficult one - however, if we apply (perhaps accidentally) harsh words to the problem instead of encouraging and trying to help out: filing bugs / updating the easy hacks wiki etc. as suggested: there is a danger that we end up with no developer volunteers :-) Anyhow - it seems like this change should be tractible even to a very beginner coder; do you have a build you can play with - and perhaps you can help be part of the solution ? :-) I can give you some code pointers - indeed, I thought that I had addressed an issue like this as/when I merged this. Grab me (mmeeks) on IRC and I'll help you get setup. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Hi Regina, On 2010-12-31 at 14:21 +0100, Regina Henschel wrote: (Aside from that I have a lot of other wishes, for example: Free choice of color, nice scaling integral sign, easier way to add new symbols, alignment to equal sign in stacks and matrices, inheritance of font size from environment or style.) Go ahead and file all these to the Easy Hacks too! :-) It is no Wiki, so I cannot do it technically, and with regards to content, I do not know whether they are Easy. My point of view is that with enough guidance, every task is easy enough, or can be split into easy enough ones ;-) So let's file it there, if there is somebody interested, I think we can shape some code pointers etc. too. So far I filed it here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks#General_formula_editor_improvements This is a wiki, you just need to create an account - please feel free to extend it with more information :-) And please - don't bash Jonas for the great work he's done, I am sure he aims to make it perfect for everyone; Please excuse me. I am sad that my posts has caused such an impression. Jonas, I would never bash you. I am sorry I read it as such. I guess it is enough, that they are in the OOo Issuetracker. But you are right for remarks concerning new visual formula editor. I'll file bug reports. Would be great to add URLs of these to the General formula editor improvements too, so that we have a collection of the painful use cases. Thank you, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Hi, Jan Holesovsky schrieb: Hi Regina, On 2010-12-30 at 01:14 +0100, Regina Henschel wrote: (Aside from that I have a lot of other wishes, for example: Free choice of color, nice scaling integral sign, easier way to add new symbols, alignment to equal sign in stacks and matrices, inheritance of font size from environment or style.) Go ahead and file all these to the Easy Hacks too! :-) It is no Wiki, so I cannot do it technically, and with regards to content, I do not know whether they are Easy. And please - don't bash Jonas for the great work he's done, I am sure he aims to make it perfect for everyone; Please excuse me. I am sad that my posts has caused such an impression. Jonas, I would never bash you. file bugs, or add Easy Hacks instead. I guess it is enough, that they are in the OOo Issuetracker. But you are right for remarks concerning new visual formula editor. I'll file bug reports. Kind regards Regina ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Jan Holesovsky ke...@suse.cz wrote: Hi Regina, On 2010-12-30 at 01:14 +0100, Regina Henschel wrote: For me the current formula editor is already easy-to-use. However it will be more easy to use if the command window was able to show the complementary braket or brace. It would be very useful when you have complex formulas with several levels of group brakets to write. That would be great indeed. My additional wish for the editor is an insert special character dialog. The workaround with copying from Writer is cumbersome. (Aside from that I have a lot of other wishes, for example: Free choice of color, nice scaling integral sign, easier way to add new symbols, alignment to equal sign in stacks and matrices, inheritance of font size from environment or style.) Go ahead and file all these to the Easy Hacks too! :-) And please - don't bash Jonas for the great work he's done, +1 indeed. Norbert I am sure he aims to make it perfect for everyone; file bugs, or add Easy Hacks instead. BTW - enabling the incomplete features... It is the only way to get more interest in them, early feedback [as actually shown in this thread too ;-)], and more people actually hacking on them. All the best, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Le 29/12/2010 16:20, Jonas Finnemann Jensen a écrit : Hi, If you have enabled visual formula editing (The Enable experimental (unstable) features checkbox). Then the cursor should act more like MathType etc... e.g. like a WYSIWYG editor... It's demonstrated here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3foNqKYAlYY Well, how say that kindly ? ;-) : For me the main advantage of Math module is that it is *not* like MathType. It was a reason because I switched from MS-Word to StarOffice at the end of the last millennium. I use the mouse to select a formula element *only* when I can't remember its syntax. [...] The visual formula editor is a move towards something more user friendly like MathType. Ok, we do not have the same definition of user friendly. :-) You'll still be able to write the formulas using the command text interface. But the formula cursor will not be rectangular anymore... And at the moment it will not synchronize it's position with the command text interface cursor. If I can continue to write formulas using the command text interface *and* to have the cursor in the formula window synchronizing it's position with the command text interface cursor, there is no problem for me if you want use your MathType clone. In other words, if you want to code a MathType clone, you must keep entirely the current edit mode and add the possibility to switch from a mode to the other. Formula editor is a very good compromise between keyboard only editor like Latex and mouse only editor like MathType. So, please, do not destroy that. Best regards JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Hi, Well, how say that kindly ? ;-) : For me the main advantage of Math module is that it is *not* like MathType. I agree that for some people, power users, the command text interface might be faster to use... But it's next to impossible to convince normal users to sit down and learn a command language. (Most non-programmers can hardly set brackets for parsing correctly). But, there's no plans to remove the old command text interface... And loss of the square cursor is probably not a problem for power users :) Ok, we do not have the same definition of user friendly. :-) I'll admit that I haven't done a usability study on the subject... - Those things are utterly boring to do :) But if the target group is ordinary office users, and a course in formula writing isn't a prerequisite, I can pretty much guess the result... I'm not saying that the command text interface isn't faster and easier to use once you've learned it... (But so is vim and emacs). Anyway, command text interface is not disappearing... So you have nothing to fear... -- Regards Jonas Finnemann Jensen. On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 17:17, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@orange.fr wrote: Le 29/12/2010 16:20, Jonas Finnemann Jensen a écrit : Hi, If you have enabled visual formula editing (The Enable experimental (unstable) features checkbox). Then the cursor should act more like MathType etc... e.g. like a WYSIWYG editor... It's demonstrated here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3foNqKYAlYY Well, how say that kindly ? ;-) : For me the main advantage of Math module is that it is *not* like MathType. It was a reason because I switched from MS-Word to StarOffice at the end of the last millennium. I use the mouse to select a formula element *only* when I can't remember its syntax. [...] The visual formula editor is a move towards something more user friendly like MathType. Ok, we do not have the same definition of user friendly. :-) You'll still be able to write the formulas using the command text interface. But the formula cursor will not be rectangular anymore... And at the moment it will not synchronize it's position with the command text interface cursor. If I can continue to write formulas using the command text interface *and* to have the cursor in the formula window synchronizing it's position with the command text interface cursor, there is no problem for me if you want use your MathType clone. In other words, if you want to code a MathType clone, you must keep entirely the current edit mode and add the possibility to switch from a mode to the other. Formula editor is a very good compromise between keyboard only editor like Latex and mouse only editor like MathType. So, please, do not destroy that. Best regards JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Hi, Jonas Finnemann Jensen schrieb: Hi, Well, how say that kindly ? ;-) : For me the main advantage of Math module is that it is *not* like MathType. I agree that for some people, power users, the command text interface might be faster to use... But it's next to impossible to convince normal users to sit down and learn a command language. (Most non-programmers can hardly set brackets for parsing correctly). I disagree. I have teached the formula essentials including command line in school in 20 min to 17 age old pupils and in 80 min to 14 age old pupils without problems. It is only difficult for people, who do not get a starting instruction. But, there's no plans to remove the old command text interface... And loss of the square cursor is probably not a problem for power users :) It is loss of a useful tool. In the old kind double clicking an object in the view will selects it in the command line. That is very useful to look about in large complex command lines. (For example writing a matrix equation leads to commands over several lines.) Ok, we do not have the same definition of user friendly. :-) I'll admit that I haven't done a usability study on the subject... - Those things are utterly boring to do :) But if the target group is ordinary office users, and a course in formula writing isn't a prerequisite, I can pretty much guess the result... Ordinary office users do not need the formula editor at all. But all of those who write scientific texts. I'm not saying that the command text interface isn't faster and easier to use once you've learned it... (But so is vim and emacs). Anyway, command text interface is not disappearing... So you have nothing to fear... One feature is already lost. I fear more regressions. kind regards Regina ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Hi Regina, It is only difficult for people, who do not get a starting instruction. True... I would assume that most users are not given an introduction course... In most schools students are given an introduction to MS Word and MathType. If an introduction is given, it's quite often assume that people can use word... But we need to find a balance between easy-to-learn and fast-to-use. At the moment it requires quite a lot of effort to learn it... Hench my reference to vim/emacs... I mean it would be faster to write the text in LibreOffice if it had a vim-mode. But LibreOffice don't have a vim-mode because of the learning curve. I'm hoping the sensible shortcuts and perhaps (this is on my dream-list) inline auto-completion for supporting commands in the visual formula editor... could improve the efficiency of the visual formula editor. Ordinary office users do not need the formula editor at all. But all of those who write scientific texts. Hmm... You might be right about that one :) - I thought everybody needed to write scientific texts, at least that's how I think the world ought to be :) One feature is already lost. I fear more regressions. If you disable experimental features, everything is back to normal. And position and selection synchronization can be fixed before this feature is enabled by default... Assuming someone cares to implement it... and you're are welcome to step up to the plate :) I hope we can agree that a visual editor, where the old command text interface is still available, is a good idea... And a great improvement to many users... Especially those migrating from Microsoft Office. -- Regards Jonas Finnemann Jensen. On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 19:31, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi, Jonas Finnemann Jensen schrieb: Hi, Well, how say that kindly ? ;-) : For me the main advantage of Math module is that it is *not* like MathType. I agree that for some people, power users, the command text interface might be faster to use... But it's next to impossible to convince normal users to sit down and learn a command language. (Most non-programmers can hardly set brackets for parsing correctly). I disagree. I have teached the formula essentials including command line in school in 20 min to 17 age old pupils and in 80 min to 14 age old pupils without problems. It is only difficult for people, who do not get a starting instruction. But, there's no plans to remove the old command text interface... And loss of the square cursor is probably not a problem for power users :) It is loss of a useful tool. In the old kind double clicking an object in the view will selects it in the command line. That is very useful to look about in large complex command lines. (For example writing a matrix equation leads to commands over several lines.) Ok, we do not have the same definition of user friendly. :-) I'll admit that I haven't done a usability study on the subject... - Those things are utterly boring to do :) But if the target group is ordinary office users, and a course in formula writing isn't a prerequisite, I can pretty much guess the result... Ordinary office users do not need the formula editor at all. But all of those who write scientific texts. I'm not saying that the command text interface isn't faster and easier to use once you've learned it... (But so is vim and emacs). Anyway, command text interface is not disappearing... So you have nothing to fear... One feature is already lost. I fear more regressions. kind regards Regina ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
On 29/12/10 19:06, Jonas Finnemann Jensen wrote: Hi Regina, It is only difficult for people, who do not get a starting instruction. True... I would assume that most users are not given an introduction course... In most schools students are given an introduction to MS Word and MathType. If an introduction is given, it's quite often assume that people can use word... But we need to find a balance between easy-to-learn and fast-to-use. At the moment it requires quite a lot of effort to learn it... Hench my reference to vim/emacs... I mean it would be faster to write the text in LibreOffice if it had a vim-mode. But LibreOffice don't have a vim-mode because of the learning curve. This is exactly my thing with WordPerfect ... it was aimed at TRAINED typists! You know, those people who type at 120 words per minute WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE TYPEWRITER. (Which is why I hate Word - if you *do* know what you're doing, all these enhancements are like Bob, a bl**dy pain!) We need to plan towards an expert mode with NO popups, NO distractions, NOTHING that gets in the way of a fast typist bashing in the text. I'm not saying the WordPerfect way is best, but again, something I remember hearing said about it, it presented the user with a blank screen, like a blank piece of paper, but all the power of the menus, drop downs, etc was easily accessible if required. It shouldn't be that hard to fix things so we have a learning mode for the two-fingered hunt-n-peck people, and an expert mode for the experienced typists ... and if it IS difficult, then there's something wrong with LO! Cheers, Wol ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Le 29/12/2010 20:06, Jonas Finnemann Jensen a écrit : [...] If you disable experimental features, everything is back to normal. And position and selection synchronization can be fixed before this feature is enabled by default... Assuming someone cares to implement it... and you're are welcome to step up to the plate :) I strongly disagree : it is you who must not to destroy what is working very well. If you need to remove cursor formula feature to implement your visual editor, that proves there is some defect in your implementation. Please, do not tell we do not need this feature when you do not know how to implement your visual editor without destroying it. I hope we can agree that a visual editor, where the old command text interface is still available, is a good idea... And a great improvement to many users... Especially those migrating from Microsoft Office. Not sure: you seem to be assuming that users migrating from MS-Office do that only because LibO is free. It is not what I see around me. Many users, scientists, students, are leaving MS-Word because it does not work well enough, especially the MathType module bundled with MSO. They are ready to use Latex instead of LibO... Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
If you need to remove cursor formula feature to implement your visual editor, that proves there is some defect in your implementation. Please, do not tell we do not need this feature when you do not know how to implement your visual editor without destroying it. As I said position and selection synchronization between the two editors is possible. But it's not a priority of mine, fixing current bugs in the visual editor is :) Note: That the visual editor is still an experimental feature, and not enabled by default! If the visual editor causes regressions in a magnitude worth talking about we can take that discussion when it's declared stable... - That is not happening now... But I will keep in mind that the current user base is not fond of regressions... :) By the way, do you totally discard the need for an easy-to-use formula editor ? I'm not saying that there's no need command text interface... And if you love the way the formula cursor works now... I don't think it's a problem to create a settings checkbox where you can determine formula cursor behavior... But I'm hoping that at some point during the development the two things will blend nicely, so that it works out for everybody :) -- Regards Jonas Finnemann Jensen. On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 21:11, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@orange.fr wrote: Le 29/12/2010 20:06, Jonas Finnemann Jensen a écrit : [...] If you disable experimental features, everything is back to normal. And position and selection synchronization can be fixed before this feature is enabled by default... Assuming someone cares to implement it... and you're are welcome to step up to the plate :) I strongly disagree : it is you who must not to destroy what is working very well. If you need to remove cursor formula feature to implement your visual editor, that proves there is some defect in your implementation. Please, do not tell we do not need this feature when you do not know how to implement your visual editor without destroying it. I hope we can agree that a visual editor, where the old command text interface is still available, is a good idea... And a great improvement to many users... Especially those migrating from Microsoft Office. Not sure: you seem to be assuming that users migrating from MS-Office do that only because LibO is free. It is not what I see around me. Many users, scientists, students, are leaving MS-Word because it does not work well enough, especially the MathType module bundled with MSO. They are ready to use Latex instead of LibO... Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Hi,
Le 29/12/2010 23:59, Jonas Finnemann Jensen a écrit :
If you need to remove cursor formula feature to implement your visual
editor, that proves there is some defect in your implementation.
Please, do not tell we do not need this feature when you do not know how
to implement your visual editor without destroying it.
As I said position and selection synchronization between the two
editors is possible.
But it's not a priority of mine, fixing current bugs in the visual editor is
:)
If visual editor remove cursors synchronization (formula cursor), it is
a bug.
Note: That the visual editor is still an experimental feature, and not
enabled by default!
If the visual editor causes regressions in a magnitude worth talking
about we can take that discussion when it's declared stable...
I prefer to alert you before...
- That is not happening now...
But I will keep in mind that the current user base is not fond of
regressions... :)
By the way, do you totally discard the need for an easy-to-use formula editor
?
No. But what do you mean by easy-to-use formula editor ? easy-to-use
formula editor is not a specification for an editor. The specification
describe the set of functions you will implement and you expect that
this set of functions will let say the users: ok, now we have an
easy-to-use formula editor.
In other words easy-to-use formula editor is a marketing expression
behind which you can have anything.
For me the current formula editor is already easy-to-use. However it
will be more easy to use if the command window was able to show the
complementary braket or brace. It would be very useful when you have
complex formulas with several levels of group brakets to write.
I'm not saying that there's no need command text interface... And if
you love the way the formula cursor works now... I don't think it's a
problem to create a settings checkbox where you can determine formula
cursor behavior...
I think that is, indeed, the least of the things to do if you want add a
visual mode to the current editor.
However the button to activate the formula cursor already exists, but it
does not work if experimental functions are activated.
In fact I would prefer a checkbox to choose the editor mode, text mode
or visual mode.
But I'm hoping that at some point during the development the two
things will blend nicely, so that it works out for everybody :)
For that you need to design your visual editor to allow the possibility
to write formulas without using the mouse. For example it would be nice
to write sqrt{} in the formula and obtain a square root.
Best regards.
JBF
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Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Hi, Jean-Baptiste Faure schrieb: Hi, Le 29/12/2010 23:59, Jonas Finnemann Jensen a écrit : If you need to remove cursor formula feature to implement your visual editor, that proves there is some defect in your implementation. Please, do not tell we do not need this feature when you do not know how to implement your visual editor without destroying it. As I said position and selection synchronization between the two editors is possible. But it's not a priority of mine, fixing current bugs in the visual editor is :) If visual editor remove cursors synchronization (formula cursor), it is a bug. +1 Note: That the visual editor is still an experimental feature, and not enabled by default! If the visual editor causes regressions in a magnitude worth talking about we can take that discussion when it's declared stable... I prefer to alert you before... +1 [..) For me the current formula editor is already easy-to-use. However it will be more easy to use if the command window was able to show the complementary braket or brace. It would be very useful when you have complex formulas with several levels of group brakets to write. That would be great indeed. My additional wish for the editor is an insert special character dialog. The workaround with copying from Writer is cumbersome. (Aside from that I have a lot of other wishes, for example: Free choice of color, nice scaling integral sign, easier way to add new symbols, alignment to equal sign in stacks and matrices, inheritance of font size from environment or style.) Kind regards Regina ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Hi Jonas, On 2010-12-29 at 20:06 +0100, Jonas Finnemann Jensen wrote: One feature is already lost. I fear more regressions. If you disable experimental features, everything is back to normal. And position and selection synchronization can be fixed before this feature is enabled by default... Assuming someone cares to implement it... and you're are welcome to step up to the plate :) Do we have it among the Easy Hacks? If not yet - can you please add it there? :-) I hope we can agree that a visual editor, where the old command text interface is still available, is a good idea... And a great improvement to many users... Especially those migrating from Microsoft Office. Yes; I support this :-) Thank you a lot, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Hi, Le 30/12/2010 01:14, Regina Henschel a écrit : Hi, Jean-Baptiste Faure schrieb: Hi, Le 29/12/2010 23:59, Jonas Finnemann Jensen a écrit : If you need to remove cursor formula feature to implement your visual editor, that proves there is some defect in your implementation. Please, do not tell we do not need this feature when you do not know how to implement your visual editor without destroying it. As I said position and selection synchronization between the two editors is possible. But it's not a priority of mine, fixing current bugs in the visual editor is :) If visual editor remove cursors synchronization (formula cursor), it is a bug. +1 Note: That the visual editor is still an experimental feature, and not enabled by default! If the visual editor causes regressions in a magnitude worth talking about we can take that discussion when it's declared stable... I prefer to alert you before... +1 [..) For me the current formula editor is already easy-to-use. However it will be more easy to use if the command window was able to show the complementary braket or brace. It would be very useful when you have complex formulas with several levels of group brakets to write. That would be great indeed. My additional wish for the editor is an insert special character dialog. The workaround with copying from Writer is cumbersome. +1 (Aside from that I have a lot of other wishes, for example: Free choice of color, nice scaling integral sign, easier way to add new symbols, alignment to equal sign in stacks and matrices, inheritance of font size from environment or style.) +100 :-) And a fix for http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=66848 Best regards JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Formula cursor : bug or feature ?
Hi Regina, On 2010-12-30 at 01:14 +0100, Regina Henschel wrote: For me the current formula editor is already easy-to-use. However it will be more easy to use if the command window was able to show the complementary braket or brace. It would be very useful when you have complex formulas with several levels of group brakets to write. That would be great indeed. My additional wish for the editor is an insert special character dialog. The workaround with copying from Writer is cumbersome. (Aside from that I have a lot of other wishes, for example: Free choice of color, nice scaling integral sign, easier way to add new symbols, alignment to equal sign in stacks and matrices, inheritance of font size from environment or style.) Go ahead and file all these to the Easy Hacks too! :-) And please - don't bash Jonas for the great work he's done, I am sure he aims to make it perfect for everyone; file bugs, or add Easy Hacks instead. BTW - enabling the incomplete features... It is the only way to get more interest in them, early feedback [as actually shown in this thread too ;-)], and more people actually hacking on them. All the best, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
