Re: [Libreoffice] Suggestions for improving the look 'n' feel of LibreOffice

2011-10-31 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Alex,

On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 18:57 +0200, alexander.wi...@zoho.com wrote:
 My name is Alex and I am a member of the design team. I've collected
 several ideas regarding the look of LO. I'd like to hear your
 opinions:

Great ! :-) the best list for this is
libreoffice-ux-adv...@lists.freedesktop.org I've CC'd that - hopefully
we can take follow-ups to there.

 2) Currently, only Shift allows scaling a picture while keeping the
 ratio. Apparently thats how Word works, too, but if one is used to
 Gimp or Inkscape one intuitively tries Ctrl. I suggest to allow both
 keys.

IMHO the ability to scale an -image- destroying it's aspect ratio -
which we have by default on re-sizing them is a mis-feature. IMHO we
should invert the sense here - dragging the corner handles should by
default preserve aspect ratio (perhaps just for images). Clearly other
handles are already provided and near at hand for sizing in just one
direction, and we should flip the sense of ctrl||shift to allow
aspect-busting sizing. But of course consensus on that appreciated - so
we can knock up an easy hack.

Sadly, looking over the shoulder of my wife, plus daughters I've had to
undo / fix-this up for them several times, and no doubt lots of people
screw up their documents accidentally like this. [ Still, with 4x3 TV
frequently stretched to 16x9, perhaps people are hardened these days to
seeing footballers as fatter and shorter than they really are ;-]

 5) The handles for resizing and rotating look rather dated. They
 should be replaced by some squares/circles filled with a nice
 gradient. Are they hardcoded or could the graphics simply be replaced?

Agreed - there are two modes: large and small for the handles but both
look dated as you say. Some consensus on this from the design team might
let us create some easy hack around this.

Lets build that on ux-advise. It'd be great to have someone to track
discussion on the topics and come up with a consensus there.

HTH,

Michael.

-- 
michael.me...@suse.com  , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot

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Re: [Libreoffice] Suggestions for improving the look 'n' feel of LibreOffice

2011-10-30 Thread Kevin Hunter

At 6:40pm -0400 Sat, 29 Oct 2011, alexander.wi...@zoho.com  wrote:

I've just created this small mock-up, of what I think could be a
good solution:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Toxicbits


That seems a good start.  But let's see if some other devs have any 
thoughts, or if ... is it Christoph Noack?  (the design team liason?) 
... have any thoughts.


Cheers,

Kevin
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Re: [Libreoffice] Suggestions for improving the look 'n' feel of LibreOffice

2011-10-29 Thread Kevin Hunter

At 12:57pm -0400 Fri, 28 Oct 2011, Alexander Wilms wrote:

There's a short summary with a few examples in this document:
http://ubuntuone.com/7m7AXgeh7OIwGBiCOHAjGh

1) It would be useful if the user could define alternating colors
for table rows/columns and maybe even export Styles for
text/shapes/tables formatting and coloring to a xml file or something
for easy exchange.


I concur that this would be very helpful, at least in my line(s) of 
work.  I hope, however, that it could be more general than just every 
other row/column.  For instance, there are times I need every 3rd row 
to be colored, or I need a set of 2 rows colored every 2 rows. 
Something like


Row 1: color 1
Row 2: color 1
Row 3: color 2
Row 4: color 2
Row 5: color 1
Row 6: color 1
Row 7: color 2
Row 8: color 2
etc.

I've done this manually to date, but having a general description or way 
to handle this would be *very* nice.


As to how difficult it would be to implement?  I don't know.  I'm not 
working in that part of the code.  However, I'll bet an interested 
(coding) party would have an easier time going about it if there were an 
actual use-case/specification.


Cheers,

Kevin
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Re: [Libreoffice] Suggestions for improving the look 'n' feel of LibreOffice

2011-10-29 Thread alexander.wi...@zoho.com

Hi Kevin, all

Thats good to hear :).

I've just created this small mock-up, of what I think could be a good 
solution:


http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Toxicbits

What do you think?

Greetings

Alex

Am Sa 29 Okt 2011 23:37:47 CEST schrieb Kevin Hunter:

At 12:57pm -0400 Fri, 28 Oct 2011, Alexander Wilms wrote:

There's a short summary with a few examples in this document:
http://ubuntuone.com/7m7AXgeh7OIwGBiCOHAjGh

1) It would be useful if the user could define alternating colors
for table rows/columns and maybe even export Styles for
text/shapes/tables formatting and coloring to a xml file or something
for easy exchange.


I concur that this would be very helpful, at least in my line(s) of 
work. I hope, however, that it could be more general than just every 
other row/column. For instance, there are times I need every 3rd row 
to be colored, or I need a set of 2 rows colored every 2 rows. 
Something like


Row 1: color 1
Row 2: color 1
Row 3: color 2
Row 4: color 2
Row 5: color 1
Row 6: color 1
Row 7: color 2
Row 8: color 2
etc.

I've done this manually to date, but having a general description or 
way to handle this would be *very* nice.


As to how difficult it would be to implement? I don't know. I'm not 
working in that part of the code. However, I'll bet an interested 
(coding) party would have an easier time going about it if there were 
an actual use-case/specification.


Cheers,

Kevin




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