Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
how do you remove the media player off the LiberoOffice. i was just messing with it and now it will not come off. can you help please ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
As all other features too... ;o) KAMI 2011-03-01 20:01 keltezéssel, Thomas Arnhold írta: Hi Kami, it isn't gone. If someone really needs this he could add this through the customizing of the menu :) Thomas On 02/26/2011 03:19 AM, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai wrote: Hi, But why we remove possibilities from a submenu? KAMI 2011-02-25 12:40 keltezéssel, Thomas Arnhold írta: Hi, On 02/25/2011 12:07 PM, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Please consider: We are living and working in a Multi Media world: Not only who is working with Impress needs a media player, all content can have mixed content and LO must be the one stop place to handle all multi media stuff. I partially reverted the changes for writer. The background calls are there again, so anybody who needs Media Player could add this by customizing the menu. And I've enabled Media Player for web by default as this make really sense. Fernand, only for my personal interest: are you using videos in odt files? Maybe I'm not knowing what's possible with this ;) Thomas ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice -- KAMI911Best regards, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai | 神 | kami911 [at] gmail [dot] com My favorite projects: OxygenOffice Professional http://ooop.sf.net/ - office suite - for everybody | Magyarul http://hun.sf.net/ - In Hungarian Blog http://bit.ly/10ucTR | Support http://bit.ly/eYZO6 Follow me http://bit.ly/gJuJZ, if you can http://bit.ly/kDocB ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Christoph, Thanks for the reply, please find my comments in the text , No we are not placing video in odt, files, but our editors (while there are working in writer), needs to see some video content as a source for there work. Wow, that seems to be a very special case - so from my side, if the menu I think it is not so special to play some video content while writing some comments, tranlations etc...on it item can be added manually (afterwards), then it should be fine for most Why moving away some functionality, (who will finaly been forgotten) on a sub-menu (they are invented for this purpose, no ? ) of the users. Of course, this might add some burden on your and your editors, but most of the other users do have some benefit ... Sorry, i do not see any benefit in hiding, removing some functionality ? maybe this is some kind of compensation? ;-) But we would like to add some video content to our Writerfiles and then transfer them to Epup or interactive PDF's As far as I understand, that's still possible. Yes we can add some sound video content to our writer Documents, but this is useless, because the Sound and Video are consumed on the net (HTML5) and on the Ipads (Epub and/or PDF). We must sea Writer as a one stop tool to produce multi-media content . In the begining we made our HTML from in Writer, later we could make some interactive PDF's , now we have to make Epub, and HTML5 to keep up with the latest multi-media developements. By the way, if I can help here ... please let me know. Thanks, you can help to convince our developers to make it posible to Export writer documents to PDF, Epub and HTML5 with Sound and Video included. The only downside is, that I'm still not that responsive as I would like to be :-) In such cases like Media Player use (especially in the not too far future), it would be nice to set up the usage data collection for LibreOffice. Then we might track the use for our product, since the OOo data gets old quickly ... Cheers, Christoph On 02/25/2011 12:07 PM, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Please consider: We are living and working in a Multi Media world: Not only who is working with Impress needs a media player, all content can have mixed content and LO must be the one stop place to handle all multi media stuff. I partially reverted the changes for writer. The background calls are there again, so anybody who needs Media Player could add this by customizing the menu. And I've enabled Media Player for web by default as this make really sense. Fernand, only for my personal interest: are you using videos in odt files? Maybe I'm not knowing what's possible with this ;) Thomas ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Hi Fernand, all! Am Freitag, den 25.02.2011, 16:01 +0100 schrieb Fernand Vanrie: Thomas , No we are not placing video in odt, files, but our editors (while there are working in writer), needs to see some video content as a source for there work. Wow, that seems to be a very special case - so from my side, if the menu item can be added manually (afterwards), then it should be fine for most of the users. Of course, this might add some burden on your and your editors, but most of the other users do have some benefit ... maybe this is some kind of compensation? ;-) But we would like to add some video content to our Writerfiles and then transfer them to Epup or interactive PDF's As far as I understand, that's still possible. By the way, if I can help here ... please let me know. The only downside is, that I'm still not that responsive as I would like to be :-) In such cases like Media Player use (especially in the not too far future), it would be nice to set up the usage data collection for LibreOffice. Then we might track the use for our product, since the OOo data gets old quickly ... Cheers, Christoph On 02/25/2011 12:07 PM, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Please consider: We are living and working in a Multi Media world: Not only who is working with Impress needs a media player, all content can have mixed content and LO must be the one stop place to handle all multi media stuff. I partially reverted the changes for writer. The background calls are there again, so anybody who needs Media Player could add this by customizing the menu. And I've enabled Media Player for web by default as this make really sense. Fernand, only for my personal interest: are you using videos in odt files? Maybe I'm not knowing what's possible with this ;) Thomas ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Hi Thomas, On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:26:55PM +0100, Thomas Arnhold wrote: Hi Yifan, On 02/23/2011 10:47 AM, Yifan Jiang wrote: I guess end-users could still bring the menu item back using the menu customization UI (Tools-Customize...-Menus). Is that right? That's possible. But for writer and calc the background calls are gone. So it won't work. There's another entry button of the media play in the customized toolbar set. So I think this would also not work based on the context? Maybe I re-enable them, so someone could still customize his menus with Media Player enabled. This would be perfectly acceptable in my personal opinion. We don't actually know who will use the stand-alone player in other apps rather than impress, I mean it depends on the end users' personal favour and habits. So IMHO, we should be cautious to *totally* take out an existing feature. Michael? What about your opinion of this? Best regards, Yifan ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Yifan and others, Please consider: We are living and working in a Multi Media world: Not only who is working with Impress needs a media player, all content can have mixed content and LO must be the one stop place to handle all multi media stuff. Greetz Fernand Hi Thomas, On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:26:55PM +0100, Thomas Arnhold wrote: Hi Yifan, On 02/23/2011 10:47 AM, Yifan Jiang wrote: I guess end-users could still bring the menu item back using the menu customization UI (Tools-Customize...-Menus). Is that right? That's possible. But for writer and calc the background calls are gone. So it won't work. There's another entry button of the media play in the customized toolbar set. So I think this would also not work based on the context? Maybe I re-enable them, so someone could still customize his menus with Media Player enabled. This would be perfectly acceptable in my personal opinion. We don't actually know who will use the stand-alone player in other apps rather than impress, I mean it depends on the end users' personal favour and habits. So IMHO, we should be cautious to *totally* take out an existing feature. Michael? What about your opinion of this? Best regards, Yifan ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Hi, On 02/25/2011 12:07 PM, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Please consider: We are living and working in a Multi Media world: Not only who is working with Impress needs a media player, all content can have mixed content and LO must be the one stop place to handle all multi media stuff. I partially reverted the changes for writer. The background calls are there again, so anybody who needs Media Player could add this by customizing the menu. And I've enabled Media Player for web by default as this make really sense. Fernand, only for my personal interest: are you using videos in odt files? Maybe I'm not knowing what's possible with this ;) Thomas ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Thomas , No we are not placing video in odt, files, but our editors (while there are working in writer), needs to see some video content as a source for there work. But we would like to add some video content to our Writerfiles and then transfer them to Epup or interactive PDF's Greetz Fernand Hi, On 02/25/2011 12:07 PM, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Please consider: We are living and working in a Multi Media world: Not only who is working with Impress needs a media player, all content can have mixed content and LO must be the one stop place to handle all multi media stuff. I partially reverted the changes for writer. The background calls are there again, so anybody who needs Media Player could add this by customizing the menu. And I've enabled Media Player for web by default as this make really sense. Fernand, only for my personal interest: are you using videos in odt files? Maybe I'm not knowing what's possible with this ;) Thomas ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Title: Szalai Kálmán Hi, But why we remove possibilities from a submenu? KAMI 2011-02-25 12:40 keltezéssel, Thomas Arnhold írta: Hi, On 02/25/2011 12:07 PM, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Please consider: We are living and working in a Multi Media world: Not only who is working with Impress needs a media player, all content can have mixed content and LO must be the "one stop" place to handle all multi media stuff. I partially reverted the changes for writer. The background calls are there again, so anybody who needs Media Player could add this by customizing the menu. And I've enabled Media Player for web by default as this make really sense. Fernand, only for my personal interest: are you using videos in odt files? Maybe I'm not knowing what's possible with this ;) Thomas ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice -- Best regards, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai | 神 | kami911 [at] gmail [dot] com My favorite projects: OxygenOffice Professional - office suite - for everybody | Magyarul - In Hungarian Blog | Support Follow me, if you can signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
On 02/23/2011 05:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Perhaps you should ask end-users. Some users are using Draw or Writer as a replacement of MS-Publisher. Or Writer to edit their website. Maybe it is useful in these cases ? Right, the website thing came to my mind later, too. But as I said: I removed the Media Player only from the menu. You could still add Videos with Insert - Movie and Sound. And the Playback Toolbar is also still there (View - Toolbars - Media Playback). Should I revert these patches?! Thomas ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Hi! I can's see any pont behind to remove menu elements of functions. However this is my own opinion I am not a decision maker. KAMI 2011-02-23 09:57 keltezéssel, Thomas Arnhold írta: On 02/23/2011 05:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Perhaps you should ask end-users. Some users are using Draw or Writer as a replacement of MS-Publisher. Or Writer to edit their website. Maybe it is useful in these cases ? Right, the website thing came to my mind later, too. But as I said: I removed the Media Player only from the menu. You could still add Videos with Insert - Movie and Sound. And the Playback Toolbar is also still there (View - Toolbars - Media Playback). Should I revert these patches?! Thomas ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Hi Yifan, On 02/23/2011 10:47 AM, Yifan Jiang wrote: I guess end-users could still bring the menu item back using the menu customization UI (Tools-Customize...-Menus). Is that right? That's possible. But for writer and calc the background calls are gone. So it won't work. Maybe I re-enable them, so someone could still customize his menus with Media Player enabled. Thomas ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Hi, I've finally removed the menu entry from calc, writer and draw. Thomas ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Sometimes Mediaplayer is useful. Inserting video, preview, etc. KAMI 2011-02-22 21:39 keltezéssel, Thomas Arnhold írta: Hi, I've finally removed the menu entry from calc, writer and draw. Thomas ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice -- Best regards, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai | 神 | kami911 [at] gmail [dot] com My favorite projects: OxygenOffice Professional http://ooop.sf.net/ - office suite - for everybody | Magyarul http://hun.sf.net/ - In Hungarian Blog http://bit.ly/10ucTR | Support http://bit.ly/eYZO6 Follow me http://bit.ly/gJuJZ, if you can http://bit.ly/kDocB signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Yeah right, but on writer, calc and draw? It's still in impress. Or are you using it from the other apps? Thomas On 02/22/2011 09:47 PM, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai wrote: Sometimes Mediaplayer is useful. Inserting video, preview, etc. KAMI ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Hi Thomas, Le 22/02/2011 22:09, Thomas Arnhold a écrit : Yeah right, but on writer, calc and draw? It's still in impress. Or are you using it from the other apps? Perhaps you should ask end-users. Some users are using Draw or Writer as a replacement of MS-Publisher. Or Writer to edit their website. Maybe it is useful in these cases ? JBF Thomas On 02/22/2011 09:47 PM, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai wrote: Sometimes Mediaplayer is useful. Inserting video, preview, etc. KAMI ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Hi Christoph, On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 23:03 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote: === Usage Data === Useful numbers indeed. .. * All Applications: 2063 How does this compare to eg. File-Open or Format-Paragraph or something frequently used ? Of course, these are only relative values - so here is the comparison to the Gallery item in the same menu - All Applications: 7919 It'd be nice to know more context around these numbers :-) Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Hi, On 02/12/2011 10:01 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 23:08 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote: what the heck do we do with Tools - Media Player? Do we need this within an office suite? Is anyone using this?! :-) My suspicion is that ~no-one is using it. I think the same. If I add an video to a presentation I know what file I want to add. And if I want a preview of a specific file this should be done by the filepicker. Short: I share this view ... Long: But, some of the tracked usage seems to say some (strange) uses, maybe tries, maybe clicks on the wrong menu item, but at least some uses (see the end of the mail). Personally, I think we don't loose that much by removing the entry from the menu. Instead, we gain a more clean menu layout. Thomas, I'm not aware of that many file pickers being able to preview videos (given our platform support). Sometimes the Media Player might indeed be handy, e.g. to preview videos that got random names (e.g. from a camera). And, it seems that using the Media Player, previewing the video files seems much faster than prior embedding to the document (subjective, of course). However, we might rely on the operating system in such cases ... any further thoughts? GtkFileChooser has preview options (as used in gimp) and KDE provides KFilePreview. So this should be done by them. At this moment preview options are not implemented for movie/sound adding. For Insert - Images this is working. I think videos are not previewed by GtkFileChooser at this moment. I tested to create a new gallery. There is some kind of lack of user experience: Open the gallery, then New theme, tab Files and then you have to click Find files at first to scan a directory for media contents. When this is done all media files get added to the list below and you could click Add or Add all to add these files to the gallery. Paradoxically, if you forget to click Find files and directly go to Add this is also possible, but with a very limited list of supported file formats (only images). That's some kind of strange. I've added ogg and mpg files and some more formats into the gallery. Works fine. Only lack is the list of supported formats. I manually added a flv-file with Insert - Movie and Sound (thats the player). But you have to choose All files. Within the gallery there is no such option. With the consequence that I can't add flv files to it, despite the fact that the player plays it ;) Wow, thanks for the detailed description. I only checked the former one - same for me. So we should update the file list or add a option All Files or All video files. If the file isn't supported by the player it should handle this. With Insert you have two possible options to add media content to the document: Insert - Movie and Sound or Insert - Object - Video/Sound. I think the second is deprecated as it doesn't really work. The gallery does add sounds and videos like Movie and Sound. So - IMHO the player-let is useful, but I'd be amazed if people really used it in anger; it is rather lame. Removing it from the menus in everything but impress might make some sense (?) Yeah for impress it is very useful. But why remove the possibility to add videos and other media to the files. I think in the background in it's the same, isn't it?! So the question is: - remove Tools - Media Player - remove Insert - Objects - Sound and Insert - Objects - Video Fine from my point-of-view (as Michael suggested, keep Media Player for Impress?). But since those objects are supported in all applications, please keep View - Toolbars - Media Playback. Yes, View - Toolbars - Media Playback should be kept. === Usage Data === Data (end of 2009) ... the use of the menu bar item for opening / closing the media player (.uno:AVMediaPlayer MenuBarManager) * Writer: 638 * Calc: 152 * Impress: 594 * Draw: 77 * All Applications: 2063 Of course, these are only relative values - so here is the comparison to the Gallery item in the same menu - All Applications: 7919 Looks strange, doesn't it? Especially since Writer seems to outperform Impress. (???) Really strange ;) Nice feature indeed, to play movies in a document :) Thomas ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Hi Thomas, Michael, all! Thanks for the great discussion ... let me add a few thoughts :-) Am Sonntag, den 13.02.2011, 19:09 +0100 schrieb Thomas Arnhold: Christoph thanks for the discussion link and the specs! You're welcome. I'd love to play a more proactive role at the moment, but referring to older discussions is what I can do at the moment ;-) On 02/12/2011 10:01 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 23:08 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote: what the heck do we do with Tools - Media Player? Do we need this within an office suite? Is anyone using this?! :-) My suspicion is that ~no-one is using it. I think the same. If I add an video to a presentation I know what file I want to add. And if I want a preview of a specific file this should be done by the filepicker. Short: I share this view ... Long: But, some of the tracked usage seems to say some (strange) uses, maybe tries, maybe clicks on the wrong menu item, but at least some uses (see the end of the mail). Personally, I think we don't loose that much by removing the entry from the menu. Instead, we gain a more clean menu layout. Thomas, I'm not aware of that many file pickers being able to preview videos (given our platform support). Sometimes the Media Player might indeed be handy, e.g. to preview videos that got random names (e.g. from a camera). And, it seems that using the Media Player, previewing the video files seems much faster than prior embedding to the document (subjective, of course). However, we might rely on the operating system in such cases ... any further thoughts? [... Use Case descriptions - thanks to Michael ...] So - I think b) is fairly bogus (or the gallery addition code needs some real work), a) is a real use-case; it seems we throw up the media player for preview sounds in the shipped gallery. Oh, the gallery needs much love in any case. OpenClipart support - to name only one ... :-) [...] I tested to create a new gallery. There is some kind of lack of user experience: Open the gallery, then New theme, tab Files and then you have to click Find files at first to scan a directory for media contents. When this is done all media files get added to the list below and you could click Add or Add all to add these files to the gallery. Paradoxically, if you forget to click Find files and directly go to Add this is also possible, but with a very limited list of supported file formats (only images). That's some kind of strange. I've added ogg and mpg files and some more formats into the gallery. Works fine. Only lack is the list of supported formats. I manually added a flv-file with Insert - Movie and Sound (thats the player). But you have to choose All files. Within the gallery there is no such option. With the consequence that I can't add flv files to it, despite the fact that the player plays it ;) Wow, thanks for the detailed description. I only checked the former one - same for me. With Insert you have two possible options to add media content to the document: Insert - Movie and Sound or Insert - Object - Video/Sound. I think the second is deprecated as it doesn't really work. The gallery does add sounds and videos like Movie and Sound. So - IMHO the player-let is useful, but I'd be amazed if people really used it in anger; it is rather lame. Removing it from the menus in everything but impress might make some sense (?) Yeah for impress it is very useful. But why remove the possibility to add videos and other media to the files. I think in the background in it's the same, isn't it?! So the question is: - remove Tools - Media Player - remove Insert - Objects - Sound and Insert - Objects - Video Fine from my point-of-view (as Michael suggested, keep Media Player for Impress?). But since those objects are supported in all applications, please keep View - Toolbars - Media Playback. Cheers, Christoph === Usage Data === Data (end of 2009) ... the use of the menu bar item for opening / closing the media player (.uno:AVMediaPlayer MenuBarManager) * Writer: 638 * Calc: 152 * Impress: 594 * Draw: 77 * All Applications: 2063 Of course, these are only relative values - so here is the comparison to the Gallery item in the same menu - All Applications: 7919 Looks strange, doesn't it? Especially since Writer seems to outperform Impress. (???) ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
Christoph thanks for the discussion link and the specs! On 02/12/2011 10:01 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 23:08 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote: what the heck do we do with Tools - Media Player? Do we need this within an office suite? Is anyone using this?! :-) My suspicion is that ~no-one is using it. I think the same. If I add an video to a presentation I know what file I want to add. And if I want a preview of a specific file this should be done by the filepicker. Without adding too many thoughts, here is the corresponding thread with some answers and the original specification (linked). Maybe this helps The link to the spec. is: http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/media_player/MediaPlayer.sxw Which (on reading) suggests to me that the only useful uses of this beastie is two fold: a) to allow playback controls to appear / be used when playing + presuambly we can / should do this for embedded media anyway in some suitably tasteful way. b) to allow video files to be previewed from the gallery + cf. the difficulty of building galleries, and the fact that I've never seen any video in one + cf. the fact that I just failed to add an mgp or ogg to a gallery, via the properties dialog. So - I think b) is fairly bogus (or the gallery addition code needs some real work), a) is a real use-case; it seems we throw up the media player for preview sounds in the shipped gallery. Ah, I didn't see that sound files in the gallery use this player. I my opinion we could remove Tools - Media Player from the menu and let it act in the background for the gallery and embed media in documents. I tested to create a new gallery. There is some kind of lack of user experience: Open the gallery, then New theme, tab Files and then you have to click Find files at first to scan a directory for media contents. When this is done all media files get added to the list below and you could click Add or Add all to add these files to the gallery. Paradoxically, if you forget to click Find files and directly go to Add this is also possible, but with a very limited list of supported file formats (only images). That's some kind of strange. I've added ogg and mpg files and some more formats into the gallery. Works fine. Only lack is the list of supported formats. I manually added a flv-file with Insert - Movie and Sound (thats the player). But you have to choose All files. Within the gallery there is no such option. With the consequence that I can't add flv files to it, despite the fact that the player plays it ;) With Insert you have two possible options to add media content to the document: Insert - Movie and Sound or Insert - Object - Video/Sound. I think the second is deprecated as it doesn't really work. The gallery does add sounds and videos like Movie and Sound. So - IMHO the player-let is useful, but I'd be amazed if people really used it in anger; it is rather lame. Removing it from the menus in everything but impress might make some sense (?) Yeah for impress it is very useful. But why remove the possibility to add videos and other media to the files. I think in the background in it's the same, isn't it?! So the question is: - remove Tools - Media Player - remove Insert - Objects - Sound and Insert - Objects - Video Thomas ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tools - Media Player
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 23:08 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote: what the heck do we do with Tools - Media Player? Do we need this within an office suite? Is anyone using this?! :-) My suspicion is that ~no-one is using it. Without adding too many thoughts, here is the corresponding thread with some answers and the original specification (linked). Maybe this helps The link to the spec. is: http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/media_player/MediaPlayer.sxw Which (on reading) suggests to me that the only useful uses of this beastie is two fold: a) to allow playback controls to appear / be used when playing + presuambly we can / should do this for embedded media anyway in some suitably tasteful way. b) to allow video files to be previewed from the gallery + cf. the difficulty of building galleries, and the fact that I've never seen any video in one + cf. the fact that I just failed to add an mgp or ogg to a gallery, via the properties dialog. So - I think b) is fairly bogus (or the gallery addition code needs some real work), a) is a real use-case; it seems we throw up the media player for preview sounds in the shipped gallery. So - IMHO the player-let is useful, but I'd be amazed if people really used it in anger; it is rather lame. Removing it from the menus in everything but impress might make some sense (?) ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
