Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Regis Perdreau 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> From your USA window, i think your vision is not as wide as you expect.
> Some European states use it, french ministries, numerous big
> cities...although they do not claim it at every street corner.
>
>
> Régis Perdreau
>
>
>

Please give me some specific french ministries names. I will contact them
to check whether they are using LO or not.

Amit



>>

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 13:31, Thorsten Behrens  wrote:

> Hi Amit,
>
> your behaviour is way out of line. Please be considerate & polite. Any
> sort of abuse is not acceptable here.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- Thorsten
>


Please warn other people also in this thread. They have also abused me.

Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Thorsten Behrens]

Hi Amit,

your behaviour is way out of line. Please be considerate & polite. Any
sort of abuse is not acceptable here.

Thanks,

-- Thorsten


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Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Regis Perdreau]

Hi,

Sorry, in Europe, we like to lose money, that's what our governments do
every day, top management always provides examples ;-)

>From your USA window, i think your vision is not as wide as you expect.
Some European states use it, french ministries, numerous big
cities...although they do not claim it at every street corner.


Régis Perdreau




Le mer. 23 mars 2022 à 08:43, A  a écrit :

>
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 13:06, Mike Kaganski 
> wrote:
>
>> On 23.03.2022 10:31, A wrote:
>> > Why is LO focussing on both MS formats and ODF?
>> >
>> > By focusing on both formats, it is not producing very good software in
>> > either of these.
>> >
>> > It should focus on only one format so that it can do a much better job.
>> >
>> > I am saying all this because LO is run by volunteers and it is not
>> > getting much resources and money from outside.
>> >
>> > So, whatever limited resources it has, it should use that optimally to
>> > produce one "very good" product.
>>
>> This implies that the volunteers (and contributors in general) all
>> should be *guided* in what they focus on. So the project should be
>> totally controlled from some central place, and everyone must either
>> work on what is "permitted", or not work at all.
>>
>> This is not how the project works. If (say) *I* need MS compatibility
>> improved (just imagining; I actually care about both), I will work on
>> that, and my work will be included in the software for the benefit of
>> others, regardless if others think that ODF is their priority. My work
>> doesn't prevent others to improve ODF support. But if others tell me "do
>> not work on OOXML compatibility, but focus on ODF", my manpower will not
>> be re-directed - I will just leave.
>>
>
>
> What LO people fail to realize is that LO is not very popular and it will
> not be and their efforts are going to waste.
>
> No big organizations/governments are using LO.
>
> I used to use LO and I sent a document which I wrote using LO but the
> recipient said that he could not open it.
>
> Then I bought MS Office and sent the document (which I wrote in MS Office)
> and he was able to open it.
>
> So, I ended up buying MS Office.
>
> In my opinion, LO is a wasted effort if it does not focus on only one
> thing.
>
> Some people will leave if LO focuses on only one thing but then other
> people will join.
>
> I will contribute to LO if LO focuses only on MS Office formats because I
> want people to save money.
>
> Amit
>
>

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 13:06, Mike Kaganski 
wrote:

> On 23.03.2022 10:31, A wrote:
> > Why is LO focussing on both MS formats and ODF?
> >
> > By focusing on both formats, it is not producing very good software in
> > either of these.
> >
> > It should focus on only one format so that it can do a much better job.
> >
> > I am saying all this because LO is run by volunteers and it is not
> > getting much resources and money from outside.
> >
> > So, whatever limited resources it has, it should use that optimally to
> > produce one "very good" product.
>
> This implies that the volunteers (and contributors in general) all
> should be *guided* in what they focus on. So the project should be
> totally controlled from some central place, and everyone must either
> work on what is "permitted", or not work at all.
>
> This is not how the project works. If (say) *I* need MS compatibility
> improved (just imagining; I actually care about both), I will work on
> that, and my work will be included in the software for the benefit of
> others, regardless if others think that ODF is their priority. My work
> doesn't prevent others to improve ODF support. But if others tell me "do
> not work on OOXML compatibility, but focus on ODF", my manpower will not
> be re-directed - I will just leave.
>


What LO people fail to realize is that LO is not very popular and it will
not be and their efforts are going to waste.

No big organizations/governments are using LO.

I used to use LO and I sent a document which I wrote using LO but the
recipient said that he could not open it.

Then I bought MS Office and sent the document (which I wrote in MS Office)
and he was able to open it.

So, I ended up buying MS Office.

In my opinion, LO is a wasted effort if it does not focus on only one thing.

Some people will leave if LO focuses on only one thing but then other
people will join.

I will contribute to LO if LO focuses only on MS Office formats because I
want people to save money.

Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Tor Lillqvist]

> Why is LO focussing on both MS formats and ODF?

The answer is very simple: The people developing it are focussing (to
some extent) on that, because that is what they want to work on. Or
what their customers pay them to work on. There is no central LO
organisation that would decide what others (companies or individuals)
should work on. You are very welcome to join and start working on ODF
only, for instance. (But you are not welcome to join and start
removing code for MS formats.)

--tml

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Mike Kaganski]

On 23.03.2022 10:31, A wrote:

Why is LO focussing on both MS formats and ODF?

By focusing on both formats, it is not producing very good software in 
either of these.


It should focus on only one format so that it can do a much better job.

I am saying all this because LO is run by volunteers and it is not 
getting much resources and money from outside.


So, whatever limited resources it has, it should use that optimally to 
produce one "very good" product.


This implies that the volunteers (and contributors in general) all 
should be *guided* in what they focus on. So the project should be 
totally controlled from some central place, and everyone must either 
work on what is "permitted", or not work at all.


This is not how the project works. If (say) *I* need MS compatibility 
improved (just imagining; I actually care about both), I will work on 
that, and my work will be included in the software for the benefit of 
others, regardless if others think that ODF is their priority. My work 
doesn't prevent others to improve ODF support. But if others tell me "do 
not work on OOXML compatibility, but focus on ODF", my manpower will not 
be re-directed - I will just leave.



--
Best regards,
Mike Kaganski

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 12:59, Mike Kaganski 
wrote:

> On 23.03.2022 10:12, A wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Jonathan Aquilina  > > wrote:
> >
> > Amit,
> >
> > Why then dont you go barking to microsoft and tell them that they
> > shoudl focus on their formats only?
> >
> > Software will never be perfect there will always be room for
> > improvement.
> >
> > What are you finding missing or that LO isnt doing well?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jonathan
> >
>  
> >
> >
> >
> > You are again offending me by using the word "barking".
>
> Now let me do it in public.
>
> When you read words like "barking" or "rubbish" in a mailing list of an
> international project, you are *expected* to assume some communication
> barrier (both reader and writer can be imperfect in communicating their
> thoughts - both native and non-native speakers; no one is required to
> have Lord Byron's skills to write). If you do *not* assume that, you are
> misbehaving when accusing others in being impolite (until you have
> proofs that the other person *intended* to be offensive).
>
> But when you write "you are just trying to prove your point by saying
> anything which does not make sense", you are directly accuse the other
> person in being unethical; there is no way to read it other than saying
> that you accuse the other person in telling lies and nonsense just to
> look "winner" in the argument - and that *is* rude.
>
> So please just stop trying to play a moderator here, and try to be both
> permissive to others' words, *and* respectful yourself (which you were
> not too successful in so far).
>
>

I already said sorry to you but you are still going at me.

I think you should fuck off.

I guess you will like these offensive words which means get lost or go away.

Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

Hi,

The summary of my opinions is this:

Why is LO focussing on both MS formats and ODF?

By focusing on both formats, it is not producing very good software in
either of these.

It should focus on only one format so that it can do a much better job.

I am saying all this because LO is run by volunteers and it is not getting
much resources and money from outside.

So, whatever limited resources it has, it should use that optimally to
produce one "very good" product.

Regards,
Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Mike Kaganski]

On 23.03.2022 10:12, A wrote:



On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Jonathan Aquilina > wrote:


Amit,

Why then dont you go barking to microsoft and tell them that they
shoudl focus on their formats only?

Software will never be perfect there will always be room for
improvement.

What are you finding missing or that LO isnt doing well?

Regards,
Jonathan




You are again offending me by using the word "barking".


Now let me do it in public.

When you read words like "barking" or "rubbish" in a mailing list of an 
international project, you are *expected* to assume some communication 
barrier (both reader and writer can be imperfect in communicating their 
thoughts - both native and non-native speakers; no one is required to 
have Lord Byron's skills to write). If you do *not* assume that, you are 
misbehaving when accusing others in being impolite (until you have 
proofs that the other person *intended* to be offensive).


But when you write "you are just trying to prove your point by saying 
anything which does not make sense", you are directly accuse the other 
person in being unethical; there is no way to read it other than saying 
that you accuse the other person in telling lies and nonsense just to 
look "winner" in the argument - and that *is* rude.


So please just stop trying to play a moderator here, and try to be both 
permissive to others' words, *and* respectful yourself (which you were 
not too successful in so far).


--
Best regards,
Mike Kaganski

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 23.3.2022 8.18, A wrote:
Right now, LibreOffice is neither perfect in MS Office compatibility nor 
in ODF format.


Even MS Office does not perfectly support MS Office documents. There are 
compatibility breaks between versions all the time. Software is imperfect.


LibreOffice is implementing an idea of an office suite and it is in line 
with the wishes of its user base.


If you would like to contribute to LibreOffice (in any way, not only as 
a programmer), you can contact me privately and I can start guiding you.


Ilmari

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Regis Perdreau]

HI Amit,

OnlyOffice works in that way. It is supposed to provide Office
compatibility...
It's far from being perfect.
I really think the best way is to use a format designed for
interoperability, well documented, stable, all that OOXML is not.

ATB

Régis Perdreau



Le mer. 23 mars 2022 à 08:12, A  a écrit :

>
>
> On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Jonathan Aquilina 
> wrote:
>
>> Amit,
>>
>> Why then dont you go barking to microsoft and tell them that they shoudl
>> focus on their formats only?
>>
>> Software will never be perfect there will always be room for improvement.
>>
>> What are you finding missing or that LO isnt doing well?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jonathan
>> --
>>
>>
>
> You are again offending me by using the word "barking".
>
> Amit
>
>

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 12:49, Jonathan Aquilina 
wrote:

> Hi Amit,
>
> Clearly this shows that English must not be your native tongue. Some word
> in english have multiple meanings such as the word barking. it is another
> word for complaining.
>
> Is there a reason why you dont complain to them to focus on their formats
> only?
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan
> --
>
>
Definitely, many words have many meanings. But this is not an excuse to use
bad words. "Fuck off" also means "go away" but this doesn't mean that
people should say "fuck off" instead of saying "go away".

Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Amit,

Clearly this shows that English must not be your native tongue. Some word in 
english have multiple meanings such as the word barking. it is another word for 
complaining.

Is there a reason why you dont complain to them to focus on their formats only?

Regards,
Jonathan

From: A 
Sent: 23 March 2022 08:12
To: Jonathan Aquilina 
Cc: Mike Kaganski ; libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 

Subject: Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).



On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Jonathan Aquilina 
mailto:jaquil...@eagleeyet.net>> wrote:
Amit,

Why then dont you go barking to microsoft and tell them that they shoudl focus 
on their formats only?

Software will never be perfect there will always be room for improvement.

What are you finding missing or that LO isnt doing well?

Regards,
Jonathan




You are again offending me by using the word "barking".

Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Jonathan Aquilina 
wrote:

> Amit,
>
> Why then dont you go barking to microsoft and tell them that they shoudl
> focus on their formats only?
>
> Software will never be perfect there will always be room for improvement.
>
> What are you finding missing or that LO isnt doing well?
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan
> --
>
>

You are again offending me by using the word "barking".

Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Mike Kaganski 
wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
> Answering in private, just to not convert mailing list discussion into
> useless flame; also this private mail is not to suggest that I have
> intention to discuss something with you in private.
>
> However, when you claim 'you are just trying to prove your point by saying
> anything which does not make sense', it is *in no way* "pointing out flaws
> in argument", it is offensive wording claiming that you understood me
> (which is false - you proved that you didn't understand it at all), but
> that you call me a person who tells whatever nonsense to prove my PoV
> (which is calling me unethical, using such methods of argumentation).
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Mike Kaganski
>


Hi Mike,

I am sorry.

I think that I should have said that your argument is not correct.

Regards,
Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Amit,

Why then dont you go barking to microsoft and tell them that they shoudl focus 
on their formats only?

Software will never be perfect there will always be room for improvement.

What are you finding missing or that LO isnt doing well?

Regards,
Jonathan

From: A 
Sent: 23 March 2022 08:03
To: Jonathan Aquilina 
Cc: Mike Kaganski ; libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 

Subject: Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).



On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Jonathan Aquilina 
mailto:jaquil...@eagleeyet.net>> wrote:
Hi Amit,

Firstly I apologize if i offended but rubbish is another way to say incorrect 
but again apologies there.

You mention that LO is not perfect, is there any software that is perfect? 
Lastly if you feel there are lots of shortcomings in LO why not give back to 
the community and help to improve it.

Regards,
Jonathan


Hi Jonathan,

Thanks for being nice.

I will definitely contribute in LO.

But I am still of the opinion that LO should do one thing only (either MS 
Office or ODF).

Regards,
Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Jonathan Aquilina 
wrote:

> Hi Amit,
>
> Firstly I apologize if i offended but rubbish is another way to say
> incorrect but again apologies there.
>
> You mention that LO is not perfect, is there *any* software that is
> perfect? Lastly if you feel there are lots of shortcomings in LO why not
> give back to the community and help to improve it.
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan
>


Hi Jonathan,

Thanks for being nice.

I will definitely contribute in LO.

But I am still of the opinion that LO should do one thing only (either MS
Office or ODF).

Regards,
Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Amit,

The question I ask you is what is lacking where it should require focusing on 
one format?

Again this is an open source project if you want to improve a certain aspect 
the ODF or MS Format support then by all means contribute.

Remember this is a community of volunteers.

Regards,
Jonathan

From: LibreOffice  on behalf of A 

Sent: 23 March 2022 07:54
To: Mike Kaganski 
Cc: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 
Subject: Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).


On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Mike Kaganski 
mailto:mikekagan...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
On 23.03.2022 9:36, A wrote:
I think that you are just trying to prove your point by saying anything which 
does not make sense.

LO official web page at

https://link.edgepilot.com/s/221d3be7/aHNuYcszb0CBpxljBt-eWg?u=https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/#:~:text=LibreOffice%20is%20compatible%20with%20a,xls%2C%20<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/e2db0c2b/Fam0GAwaXU220C5ZKWzVsQ?u=https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/%23:%7E:text=LibreOffice%2520is%2520compatible%2520with%2520a%2Cxls%252C>
 
<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/e1cde3a3/U92_efVP50eYcsp8Cz8v8A?u=https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/#:~:text=LibreOffice%20is%20compatible%20with%20a,xls%2C%20<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/e2db0c2b/Fam0GAwaXU220C5ZKWzVsQ?u=https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/%23:%7E:text=LibreOffice%2520is%2520compatible%2520with%2520a%2Cxls%252C>>.

says the following:

LibreOffice is compatible with a wide range of document formats such as 
Microsoft® Word (.doc, .docx), Excel (.xls, .xlsx), PowerPoint (.ppt, .pptx) 
and Publisher.

But you say that  LibreOffice is not "MS Office compatible software" 

So, who is right? - you or LO official web page?

I would argue that it was you who claimed that "You should have some respect 
for everyone" - and writing "you are just trying to prove your point by saying 
anything which does not make sense" looks funny in that context.

I have respect for you but this doesn't mean that I will not point out flaws in 
your argument.

Being respectful doesn't mean that I will accept your wrong arguments.

Also, I used decent words to point out flaws in your argument.

I didn't use offending words that "you are being stupid", etc.

By the way, my opinion is that LO should focus on only one thing because right 
now it is not very good in either MS Office compatibility nor in ODF

Why doesn't LO support ODF only? Why to touch MS Office at all?

Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Mike Kaganski  wrote:

> On 23.03.2022 9:36, A wrote:
>
>> I think that you are just trying to prove your point by saying anything
>> which does not make sense.
>>
>> LO official web page at
>>
>> https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/#:~:text=Li
>> breOffice%20is%20compatible%20with%20a,xls%2C%20 <
>> https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/#:~:text=L
>> ibreOffice%20is%20compatible%20with%20a,xls%2C%20>.
>>
>> says the following:
>>
>> LibreOffice is compatible with a wide range of document formats such as
>> Microsoft® Word (.doc, .docx), Excel (.xls, .xlsx), PowerPoint (.ppt,
>> .pptx) and Publisher.
>>
>> But you say that  LibreOffice is not "MS Office compatible software"
>> 
>>
>> So, who is right? - you or LO official web page?
>>
>
> I would argue that it was you who claimed that "You should have some
> respect for everyone" - and writing "you are just trying to prove your
> point by saying anything which does not make sense" looks funny in that
> context.
>

I have respect for you but this doesn't mean that I will not point out
flaws in your argument.

Being respectful doesn't mean that I will accept your wrong arguments.

Also, I used decent words to point out flaws in your argument.

I didn't use offending words that "you are being stupid", etc.

By the way, my opinion is that LO should focus on only one thing because
right now it is not very good in either MS Office compatibility nor in ODF

Why doesn't LO support ODF only? Why to touch MS Office at all?

Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Amit,

Firstly I apologize if i offended but rubbish is another way to say incorrect 
but again apologies there.

You mention that LO is not perfect, is there any software that is perfect? 
Lastly if you feel there are lots of shortcomings in LO why not give back to 
the community and help to improve it.

Regards,
Jonathan

From: LibreOffice  on behalf of Mike 
Kaganski 
Sent: 23 March 2022 07:45
To: A 
Cc: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 
Subject: Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

On 23.03.2022 9:36, A wrote:
> I think that you are just trying to prove your point by saying anything
> which does not make sense.
>
> LO official web page at
>
> https://link.edgepilot.com/s/52b78844/y5qi346VH0WtXkzp_18zXw?u=https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/%23:%7E:text=LibreOffice%2520is%2520compatible%2520with%2520a%2Cxls%252C
> <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/52b78844/y5qi346VH0WtXkzp_18zXw?u=https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/%23:%7E:text=LibreOffice%2520is%2520compatible%2520with%2520a%2Cxls%252C>.
>
> says the following:
>
> LibreOffice is compatible with a wide range of document formats such as
> Microsoft® Word (.doc, .docx), Excel (.xls, .xlsx), PowerPoint (.ppt,
> .pptx) and Publisher.
>
> But you say that  LibreOffice is not "MS Office compatible software"
> 
>
> So, who is right? - you or LO official web page?

I would argue that it was you who claimed that "You should have some
respect for everyone" - and writing "you are just trying to prove your
point by saying anything which does not make sense" looks funny in that
context.

I would also argue that someone claiming some IT background ("Masters in
Computer Networking from NCSU, NC, USA") is expected to use terms
correctly, and understand the difference between compatibility with file
formats vs being "MS Office compatible" (which is much broader thing);
and especially so since the specific topic you are answering to was
"relying on their engineers doing all the work on designing the
principles, ways of use, everything that is put into the file formats
... would be simply not ethical towards MS" - so the question was
creating a clone of MS Office, using the *principles, ways of use, etc*
that stems from having a file format as native, not being able to read
from and write to.

But anyway, you got the feedback. If you "don't understand what is the
goal of LO", you better learn that - best by trying to be part of the
community for some time - before trying to revolutionize the community
that you are not part of.

--
Best regards,
Mike Kaganski

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Mike Kaganski]

On 23.03.2022 9:36, A wrote:
I think that you are just trying to prove your point by saying anything 
which does not make sense.


LO official web page at

https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/#:~:text=LibreOffice%20is%20compatible%20with%20a,xls%2C%20 
.


says the following:

LibreOffice is compatible with a wide range of document formats such as 
Microsoft® Word (.doc, .docx), Excel (.xls, .xlsx), PowerPoint (.ppt, 
.pptx) and Publisher.


But you say that  LibreOffice is not "MS Office compatible software" 



So, who is right? - you or LO official web page?


I would argue that it was you who claimed that "You should have some 
respect for everyone" - and writing "you are just trying to prove your 
point by saying anything which does not make sense" looks funny in that 
context.


I would also argue that someone claiming some IT background ("Masters in 
Computer Networking from NCSU, NC, USA") is expected to use terms 
correctly, and understand the difference between compatibility with file 
formats vs being "MS Office compatible" (which is much broader thing); 
and especially so since the specific topic you are answering to was 
"relying on their engineers doing all the work on designing the 
principles, ways of use, everything that is put into the file formats 
... would be simply not ethical towards MS" - so the question was 
creating a clone of MS Office, using the *principles, ways of use, etc* 
that stems from having a file format as native, not being able to read 
from and write to.


But anyway, you got the feedback. If you "don't understand what is the 
goal of LO", you better learn that - best by trying to be part of the 
community for some time - before trying to revolutionize the community 
that you are not part of.


--
Best regards,
Mike Kaganski

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

>
> LibreOffice is not "MS Office compatible software". It is able to import
> and export MS Office formats, as well as many other formats; but it doesn't
> rely on MS architectural decisions, and maps the data in those external
> formats onto its own architecture and feature set.
>


I think that you are just trying to prove your point by saying anything
which does not make sense.

LO official web page at

https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/#:~:text=LibreOffice%20is%20compatible%20with%20a,xls%2C%20
.

says the following:

LibreOffice is compatible with a wide range of document formats such as
Microsoft® Word (.doc, .docx), Excel (.xls, .xlsx), PowerPoint (.ppt,
.pptx) and Publisher.

But you say that  LibreOffice is not "MS Office compatible software"


So, who is right? - you or LO official web page?

Also, if LO is not compatible with MS Office then why does it give an
option to save documents in MS formats?

Also, if LO is not compatible with MS then how come MS is able to open
documents saved by LO in MS formats?


Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Jonathan Aquilina 
wrote:

> Hi Amit,
>
>
>
> What you are saying is totally rubbish. If you are not aware. Microsoft
> 365 actually gives you the option when  you first open one of the apps to
> choose an ODF format or the proprietary microsoft ones.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jonathan
>

Your wordings are not good. You should have some respect for everyone.

I am just voicing my opinions.

You used the word rubbish which is very offending.

Instead of using the word "rubbish", you could have used the word "wrong".

By the way, I have MS Office installed on my system and it doesn't give me
an option of ODF.

I haven't used MS Office 365, so I don't know about that.

Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Mike Kaganski]

On 23.03.2022 9:18, A wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Mike Kaganski > wrote:


On 23.03.2022 8:23, Amit Amit wrote:

I was thinking that why does LibreOffice support document
formats other than that of Microsoft Office?

Windows run on around 90% of personal computers in this world.



In your message, you downgraded LibreOffice project into:
1. "Let us create something to attract users";
2. "Let us implement others' ideas".


If it is not ethical towards MS then why is LibreOffice developing MS 
Office compatible software at all?


LibreOffice is not "MS Office compatible software". It is able to import 
and export MS Office formats, as well as many other formats; but it 
doesn't rely on MS architectural decisions, and maps the data in those 
external formats onto its own architecture and feature set.



--
Best regards,
Mike Kaganski

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Mike Kaganski  wrote:

> On 23.03.2022 8:23, Amit Amit wrote:
>
>> I was thinking that why does LibreOffice support document formats other
>> than that of Microsoft Office?
>>
>> Windows run on around 90% of personal computers in this world.
>>
>
>>


> In your message, you downgraded LibreOffice project into:
> 1. "Let us create something to attract users";
> 2. "Let us implement others' ideas".
>

If it is not ethical towards MS then why is LibreOffice developing MS
Office compatible software at all?

Right now, LibreOffice is neither perfect in MS Office compatibility nor in
ODF format.

I don't understand what is the goal of LO?

In my opinion, one should be best/perfect in what one is doing but LO is
pursuing two goals and is not very good in both.

LO should focus entirely on only one thing (MS Office or ODF) so that it
can do it perfectly and make users happy and satisfied.

2. "Let us implement others' ideas".
>

So, why is LO developing MS Office compatible software at all?

Regards,
Amit

RE: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Amit,

What you are saying is totally rubbish. If you are not aware. Microsoft 365 
actually gives you the option when  you first open one of the apps to choose an 
ODF format or the proprietary microsoft ones.

Regards,
Jonathan

From: LibreOffice  On Behalf Of A
Sent: 23 March 2022 06:53
To: Michael Weghorn 
Cc: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).


On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Michael Weghorn 
mailto:m.wegh...@posteo.de>> wrote:
On 23/03/2022 06.23, Amit Amit wrote:
I was thinking that why does LibreOffice support document formats other than 
that of Microsoft Office?

You might be interested in Italo's FOSDEM talk:
https://link.edgepilot.com/s/d5a6d58b/MRfW1vDLoUaJmEsNknSqpA?u=https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/lotech_odfbetterthanooxml/<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/7c4233ba/_Mdx1Dgjskm1Ynz29jy4eA?u=https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/lotech_odfbetterthanooxml/>


ODF might be better but not many people are using it and I don't think this is 
going to change because Microsoft Windows is on about 90% of all personal 
computer systems.

Almost all companies and almost all governments use Microsoft Office or 
compatible software.

Most of the people use Microsoft Office and compatible software so, in my 
opinion, LibreOffice should put all its resources in developing Microsoft 
Office compatible software only.

Regards,
Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Mike Kaganski]

On 23.03.2022 8:23, Amit Amit wrote:
I was thinking that why does LibreOffice support document formats other 
than that of Microsoft Office?


Windows run on around 90% of personal computers in this world.

Mac's share is around 5% and it also has Microsoft Office.

...

In my opinion, LibreOffice should support only Microsoft Office formats 
and drop other formats.


This will lead to better LibreOffice software, efficient and optimum use 
of resources, lesser number of features to implement, lesser number of 
bugs to fix, more and more users of LibreOffice, etc.


Also, by supporting Microsoft Office formats only, it is quite possible 
that Google, and other big companies in the world (like Pepsi, Bank of 
America, etc.) may give funds to libreOffice. They will definitely 
benefit because they will then not buy Microsoft Office but will use 
LibreOffice.


In your message, you downgraded LibreOffice project into:
1. "Let us create something to attract users";
2. "Let us implement others' ideas".

LibreOffice is not like that. Some software can be created not to pull 
users from other softwares, but to implement some ideas not implemented 
in other products. E.g., LibreOffice focuses on styles in a way that is 
far beyond of what is available in MS products; it is not just a clone. 
And trying to implement standards created by MS, relying on their 
engineers doing all the work on designing the principles, ways of use, 
everything that is put into the file formats, would not only require us 
to hopelessly try to catch up in the same game of imperfect support of 
evolving standard created by others (but this time, that would be our 
native format, so poor support of OOXML would not be accompanied by good 
support of own format), but also would be simply not ethical towards MS :)



--
Best regards,
Mike Kaganski

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[A]

On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Michael Weghorn  wrote:

> On 23/03/2022 06.23, Amit Amit wrote:
>
>> I was thinking that why does LibreOffice support document formats other
>> than that of Microsoft Office?
>>
>
> You might be interested in Italo's FOSDEM talk:
> https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/lotech_odfbetterthanooxml/
>


ODF might be better but not many people are using it and I don't think this
is going to change because Microsoft Windows is on about 90% of all
personal computer systems.

Almost all companies and almost all governments use Microsoft Office or
compatible software.

Most of the people use Microsoft Office and compatible software so, in my
opinion, LibreOffice should put all its resources in developing Microsoft
Office compatible software only.

Regards,
Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Michael Weghorn]

On 23/03/2022 06.23, Amit Amit wrote:
I was thinking that why does LibreOffice support document formats other 
than that of Microsoft Office?


You might be interested in Italo's FOSDEM talk:
https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/lotech_odfbetterthanooxml/