Re: binfilter removed in LO 4.0 : how to communicate on this change?
On 2012.11.11. 22:00, Michael Stahl wrote: to finish the cleanup i have just removed the binfilter .xcu file from the filter configuration... There are still some traces of these old formats in the codebase. See for example git grep StarCalc 3.0. However I do not understand all hits. Some look like unused code. Best regards, Andras ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: binfilter removed in LO 4.0 : how to communicate on this change?
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:59:42PM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org wrote: Indeed, that will work for me and others who use Linux and perhaps MacOS. I will convert my old files or, better, export them in PDF/A. Thanks a lot. But what about for users using MS-Windows ? Is there something similar ? Have you tried searching for it yourself? :-) E.g. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/51435/windows-version-of-the-unix-touch-command has quite a few pointers. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: binfilter removed in LO 4.0 : how to communicate on this change?
Hi Miklos, Miklos Vajna-2 wrote On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:59:42PM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure lt; jbf.faure@ gt; wrote: Indeed, that will work for me and others who use Linux and perhaps MacOS. I will convert my old files or, better, export them in PDF/A. Thanks a lot. But what about for users using MS-Windows ? Is there something similar ? Have you tried searching for it yourself? :-) No, I should have but, as I do not use MS-Windows anymore since years, and I did not know how to start such kind of searching. :-( Miklos Vajna-2 wrote E.g. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/51435/windows-version-of-the-unix-touch-command has quite a few pointers. Thank you very much, for this good starting point. :-) Best regards. JBF -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/binfilter-removed-in-LO-4-0-how-to-communicate-on-this-change-tp4017852p4018184.html Sent from the Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: binfilter removed in LO 4.0 : how to communicate on this change?
On 10/11/12 10:33, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Hi Andras, Le 10/11/2012 10:00, Andras Timar a écrit : Hi Jean-Baptiste, On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org wrote: - release a complete list of legacy formats which are dropped. Is there something else than sd? formats (StarOffice 5 formats) ? It affects only old binary formats of StarOffice 5 and earlier versions. that is not quite true, binfilter supports a lot of formats but most of them are really obscure and/or perverse... e.g. you can import 1-2-3 and Excel spreadsheets in Writer, because apparently 15 years ago somebody thought that would be a neat idea. oh... it turns out that all non-StarOffice 1.0-5.0 filters have already been removed earlier, e.g. the spreadsheet Writer filters with 6540cc8ee0d4d2396e6b731ad71a241e8344531d and 2398b9c207e73ac782011740e91f2ef1a0bfb695 ... oh wait actually the obscure formats were handled by something called W4W which wasn't actually open source but only available in StarOffice ? okay, in summary we are indeed removing only StarOffice 1.0-5.0 formats :) to finish the cleanup i have just removed the binfilter .xcu file from the filter configuration... ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: binfilter removed in LO 4.0 : how to communicate on this change?
Hi Jean-Baptiste, On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org wrote: - release a complete list of legacy formats which are dropped. Is there something else than sd? formats (StarOffice 5 formats) ? It affects only old binary formats of StarOffice 5 and earlier versions. BTW shoudn't we remove traces of binfiler from filter/, too? cd filter git grep BF_ gives a lot of hits. - what the user can do with its old files: I think it is not enough to say you have to convert them with an old version of LibreOffice. For example, I have old sdw and sxw files in my laboratory diary and I do not want to lose their modification date if I convert them in ODF. What should I do and what advice I could give to an end-user who is in the same position? sxw and other XML based formats are not affected. I opened an old sdw file (rsc\doku\feinkonz.43\rsc.sdw from LibreOrfice source) and it did not have modification date, In fact it had no metadata at all. Are you sure that this format supports metadata? Of do you mean the modification date at the file system level? touch -r file.sdw file.odt Best regards, Andras ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: binfilter removed in LO 4.0 : how to communicate on this change?
Hi Andras, Le 10/11/2012 10:00, Andras Timar a écrit : Hi Jean-Baptiste, On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org wrote: - release a complete list of legacy formats which are dropped. Is there something else than sd? formats (StarOffice 5 formats) ? It affects only old binary formats of StarOffice 5 and earlier versions. Ok, that reduces the number of affected users ;-) BTW shoudn't we remove traces of binfiler from filter/, too? cd filter git grep BF_ gives a lot of hits. Yes, that would make the things more clear. - what the user can do with its old files: I think it is not enough to say you have to convert them with an old version of LibreOffice. For example, I have old sdw and sxw files in my laboratory diary and I do not want to lose their modification date if I convert them in ODF. What should I do and what advice I could give to an end-user who is in the same position? sxw and other XML based formats are not affected. Indeed, the master is still able to open my sx? files. I opened an old sdw file (rsc\doku\feinkonz.43\rsc.sdw from LibreOrfice source) and it did not have modification date, In fact it had no metadata at all. Are you sure that this format supports metadata? Of do you mean the modification date at the file system level? touch -r file.sdw file.odt Yes, I mean the modification date at the file system level. I know that some images converters are able to convert photo from a format to another without changing this date. So it is probably possible to do the same for old documents. My problem is to have all necessary informations to help end-users to keep their old files/data in a readable format without losing important informations. I think the modification date is one of them. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: binfilter removed in LO 4.0 : how to communicate on this change?
On 11/10/2012 08:17 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Hi Jean-Baptiste, - what the user can do with its old files: I think it is not enough to say you have to convert them with an old version of LibreOffice. For example, I have old sdw and sxw files in my laboratory diary and I do not want to lose their modification date if I convert them in ODF. What should I do and what advice I could give to an end-user who is in the same position? You make a good point, but if there are no mechanisms in place to guarantee the date of creation of the file in the first place, then the fact that the last modified date might get changed when converting to ODT will not make the file creation date any less valid than the already suspect file creation date. If your lab books/diary, which I'm assuming are electronic, do not have a certifiable means of guaranteeing the date of creation of any added file then the whole point is moot, since if you can change that date without impacting on file integrity then you can do pretty much anything you like to your files and their legal value as elements of proof of creation will be next to worthless. Alex ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: binfilter removed in LO 4.0 : how to communicate on this change?
Hi Alexander, Le 10/11/2012 10:44, Alex Thurgood a écrit : On 11/10/2012 08:17 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Hi Jean-Baptiste, - what the user can do with its old files: I think it is not enough to say you have to convert them with an old version of LibreOffice. For example, I have old sdw and sxw files in my laboratory diary and I do not want to lose their modification date if I convert them in ODF. What should I do and what advice I could give to an end-user who is in the same position? You make a good point, but if there are no mechanisms in place to guarantee the date of creation of the file in the first place, then the fact that the last modified date might get changed when converting to ODT will not make the file creation date any less valid than the already suspect file creation date. If your lab books/diary, which I'm assuming are electronic, do not have a certifiable means of guaranteeing the date of creation of any added file then the whole point is moot, since if you can change that date without impacting on file integrity then you can do pretty much anything you like to your files and their legal value as elements of proof of creation will be next to worthless. You are right, of course, but this electronic diary does not have any legal value (AFAIK). I want to keep unchanged the modification date because that makes finding files easier and shows that the file has not been written recently. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: binfilter removed in LO 4.0 : how to communicate on this change?
Hi JBF, On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 05:33:30PM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org wrote: You are right, of course, but this electronic diary does not have any legal value (AFAIK). I want to keep unchanged the modification date because that makes finding files easier and shows that the file has not been written recently. Then really just do what Andras already suggested: touch -r origfile convertedfile, and you're done. :-) Miklos ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: binfilter removed in LO 4.0 : how to communicate on this change?
Le 10/11/2012 21:46, Miklos Vajna a écrit : Hi JBF, On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 05:33:30PM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org wrote: You are right, of course, but this electronic diary does not have any legal value (AFAIK). I want to keep unchanged the modification date because that makes finding files easier and shows that the file has not been written recently. Then really just do what Andras already suggested: touch -r origfile convertedfile, and you're done. :-) Indeed, that will work for me and others who use Linux and perhaps MacOS. I will convert my old files or, better, export them in PDF/A. Thanks a lot. But what about for users using MS-Windows ? Is there something similar ? Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
binfilter removed in LO 4.0 : how to communicate on this change?
Hi, In order to make this change as smooth as possible, I think we should give clear and complete information to the users: - release a complete list of legacy formats which are dropped. Is there something else than sd? formats (StarOffice 5 formats) ? - perhaps it would be fair to add a warning message when the user try to open a file that is in a dropped format - what the user can do with its old files: I think it is not enough to say you have to convert them with an old version of LibreOffice. For example, I have old sdw and sxw files in my laboratory diary and I do not want to lose their modification date if I convert them in ODF. What should I do and what advice I could give to an end-user who is in the same position? Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
