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--- Comment #26 from Xisco Faulí  ---
(In reply to Tomaz Vajngerl from comment #24)
> (In reply to Xisco Faulí from comment #20)
> > Hello,
> > I talked with Heiko during the hackfest and the conclusion was: if the
> > wizard is dropped, then the "HTML Document" entry in the export dialog
> > should also be dropped. Then if this entry is dropped, the user can no
> > longer export to HTML from the UI, so the filter should also be dropped.
> > @Tomaz, do you think the filter should stay even if it's no accessible from
> > the UI?
> 
> There are 2 different HTML exports that are contained in the wizard - one
> renders the slides to images and presents those in an HTML document (which
> is useless when we have much better vector based alternatives available
> today) and there is the single-document HTML export, which tries to convert
> the content of the slides to a HTML - not ideal but we can improve on that
> (which we can't with XHTML export because nobody sane wants to mess with
> XSLT). 
> 
> The idea of this was to get rid of the HTML wizard, but not the HTML export
> in general (all the comments here are very explicit about that for a good
> reason). HTML export should trigger what was the single-document HTML export.

Hello,
Thanks for the clarification. I'll revert the filter part and adapt it to use
the single-document HTML export

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--- Comment #25 from Tomaz Vajngerl  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #22)
> If you export a slide as HTML the filter calls this dialog. Besides I don't
> see HTML being a good presentation format- there was some hype 10 years ago
> but we have PDF, which is felt more reliable, and SVG, which works in
> browsers too. Can you think of an example where exporting to HTML is needed
> (and working sufficiently)?

Is there a need to rehash the design decision from 6 years ago? 

HTML export is not used only for presentation purposes but also for export of
the content for various purposes like document indexing (which is for what the
"single-document HTML export" is used).

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--- Comment #24 from Tomaz Vajngerl  ---
(In reply to Xisco Faulí from comment #20)
> Hello,
> I talked with Heiko during the hackfest and the conclusion was: if the
> wizard is dropped, then the "HTML Document" entry in the export dialog
> should also be dropped. Then if this entry is dropped, the user can no
> longer export to HTML from the UI, so the filter should also be dropped.
> @Tomaz, do you think the filter should stay even if it's no accessible from
> the UI?

There are 2 different HTML exports that are contained in the wizard - one
renders the slides to images and presents those in an HTML document (which is
useless when we have much better vector based alternatives available today) and
there is the single-document HTML export, which tries to convert the content of
the slides to a HTML - not ideal but we can improve on that (which we can't
with XHTML export because nobody sane wants to mess with XSLT). 

The idea of this was to get rid of the HTML wizard, but not the HTML export in
general (all the comments here are very explicit about that for a good reason).
HTML export should trigger what was the single-document HTML export.

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--- Comment #22 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Tomaz Vajngerl from comment #19)
> One thing is to drop the HTML Wizard. a whole another thing is to DROP
> THE WHOLE HTML EXPORT!

If you export a slide as HTML the filter calls this dialog. Besides I don't see
HTML being a good presentation format- there was some hype 10 years ago but we
have PDF, which is felt more reliable, and SVG, which works in browsers too.
Can you think of an example where exporting to HTML is needed (and working
sufficiently)?

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--- Comment #20 from Xisco Faulí  ---
(In reply to Tomaz Vajngerl from comment #19)
> One thing is to drop the HTML Wizard. a whole another thing is to DROP
> THE WHOLE HTML EXPORT!

Hello,
I talked with Heiko during the hackfest and the conclusion was: if the wizard
is dropped, then the "HTML Document" entry in the export dialog should also be
dropped. Then if this entry is dropped, the user can no longer export to HTML
from the UI, so the filter should also be dropped.
@Tomaz, do you think the filter should stay even if it's no accessible from the
UI?

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--- Comment #19 from Tomaz Vajngerl  ---
One thing is to drop the HTML Wizard. a whole another thing is to DROP THE
WHOLE HTML EXPORT!

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I guess we can close it now.

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Not a UX topic actually neither keyword set so removing ux-advice.

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--- Comment #12 from V Stuart Foote  ---
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Remains valid. Current Wizard needs to go for a cleaner export to SVG, and
higher DPI and layout size matching canvas layout.

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--- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze  ---
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> ... otherwise supply a working alternative.

Give Export to SVG a chance.

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--- Comment #9 from Jeroen Baten  ---
Please do not delete this wizzard or otherwise supply a working alternative. I
have the following usecase. I export to html a presentation and currently chose
the 1024x786 resolution. This gives me a lot of nice png images. I use these
images to include in an asciidoc book.

Actually I would like to propose to add another option to this wizzard, namely
to export the images in highres (300dpi). That would really help.

Just my € 0,02

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Not a duplicate. 
This wizard is still alive and kicking here:
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/sd/source/filter/html

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*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 99967 ***

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--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
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> a) drop this wizard (easy, remove the menu entry)

You would loose the html export option completely, and that's not what we want.
Rather the current/selected slides should be exported with default settings,
and I was taught it could be an easy hack. The task is to remove everything
between start of the wizard and export of slides.

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--- Comment #3 from jan iversen  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #0)
> Draw/Impress has File > Export > Html which leads to the ancient wizard with
> some limitations (bug 66259). The design team recommends to drop this wizard
> (similar to what is in progress for Writer in bug 99967) and make the html
> export like any other export function, i.e. one (successively numbered)
> document per slide with images in the original size and no cropping. Notes
> and comments are not exported. Everything else from the wizard is obsolete.
> It was also recommended to clean up the filters (export, save behave
> differently).
> 
> This ticket could be an easyhack. Another, more general issue about what
> slides to export requires a dialog which goes into another ticket.
> 
> It's suggested to use svg for users who want to show a presentation in the
> browser.
> 
> (In reply to jan iversen from comment #8)
> > Please add skill difficulty
> > 
> > as well as a code pointer.
Huh ? there are no comment #8 on this bug ?

I am not sure what the scope is here, you talk about different things:
a) drop this wizard (easy, remove the menu entry)
b) make the html export like any other export function (surely not a easyhack)
c) clean up the filters (does not sound like a easyhack)

please be specific, what is to be done in this easyhack.

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> What about mentioning it in the next ESC meeting?

I was instructed to not discuss too many details in the ESC. And actually the
recommendation from the design team has be done. But anyway, if we have the
time next week...

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 105303] Drop html export wizard

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105303

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org
   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66
   ||259

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