[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 100530] Unable to access LibreOffice Online menu or toolbar (CollaboraCloudSuite) via keyboard when using a screen reader

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Michael Weghorn  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |NOTOURBUG
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #14 from Michael Weghorn  ---
I've seen various accessibility-related commits for LibreOfficeKit (that's used
by Collabora Online) in LibreOffice core recently, but don't know about the
current status.

In any case, since this is about Collabora Online, I'm closing this as
NOTOURBUG.

If this is still an issue, it should be tracked via an issue in the Collabora
Online Github repo instead:
https://github.com/CollaboraOnline/online/

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Xisco Faulí  changed:

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 Status|ASSIGNED|NEW
   Assignee|mrcek...@gmail.com  |libreoffice-b...@lists.free
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--- Comment #13 from Xisco Faulí  ---
Dear Marco Cecchetti,
This bug has been in ASSIGNED status for more than 3 months without any
activity. Resetting it to NEW.
Please assigned it back to yourself if you're still working on this.

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Michael Meeks  changed:

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--- Comment #12 from Michael Meeks  ---
Needless to say we take these things very seriously, and Marco is working on
improving things here.

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--- Comment #11 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to Michael Meeks from comment #10)
> I am not hyper-optimistic about accessibility for LibreOffice Online -
> ultimately we have to integrate with browser APIs here - and our model
> (which is similar in some ways to a terminal server / VNC approach) will
> cause issues I guess - last I looked at ARIA it seemed very weak on
> annotating dynamic content; I've no idea how widespread canvas / widget
> toolkit use will fit there.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/ARIA/ARIA_Live_Regions
https://developer.paciellogroup.com/blog/2014/03/screen-reader-support-aria-live-regions/
http://pauljadam.com/demos/aria-atomic-relevant.html
http://pauljadam.com/demos/aria-alert-validation.html
https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/ARIA19.html
https://howlowck.github.io/ARIA-Demo/pages/live-regions.html
https://marcus.io/blog/a11y-app-shopping-cart-with-aria-live

It might be true that having ~everything be dynamic is a showstopper.

The thing is, LibO Online can never enter the U.S. market, if this is not
addressed. Any serious users would get sued.

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--- Comment #10 from Michael Meeks  ---
I am not hyper-optimistic about accessibility for LibreOffice Online -
ultimately we have to integrate with browser APIs here - and our model (which
is similar in some ways to a terminal server / VNC approach) will cause issues
I guess - last I looked at ARIA it seemed very weak on annotating dynamic
content; I've no idea how widespread canvas / widget toolkit use will fit
there.

What would help would be to get some input, and ideally funding from the a11y
community; it is entirely possible that the browser APIs are inadequate for our
needs here: ie. mirroring and exposing an existing remote a11y object hierarchy
in the browser.

So for the meantime; I'd suggest continuing to use the PC version - which is
(anyhow) more functional.

Hope that helps !

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--- Comment #9 from V Stuart Foote  ---
*** Bug 99785 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 100530] Unable to access LibreOffice Online menu or toolbar ( CollaboraCloudSuite) via keyboard when using a screen reader

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

  Component|Writer  |LibreOffice
 Blocks||60251
Summary|Unable to access the menu   |Unable to access
   |with a screen reader|LibreOffice Online menu or
   ||toolbar
   ||(CollaboraCloudSuite) via
   ||keyboard when using a
   ||screen reader


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60251
[Bug 60251] ACCESSIBILITY: Tracking Metabug for Windows OS accessibility and AT
issues
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