[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 101945] Display information about LibreOffice during install

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--- Comment #17 from Aron Budea  ---
Just a note on installation time:
upgrading on Windows actually takes several minutes.

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #16 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Talked in the ESC about this idea. It is refused for now since keeping the
slideshow up-to-date is a maintenance nightmare.

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--- Comment #15 from Buovjaga  ---
I'm fine with WONTFIX for this.

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--- Comment #14 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Okay, so next question: Who will maintain the slide show? Sounds to me like a
task for the packagers together with marketing. CC'ing Cloph.

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--- Comment #13 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #12)
> Our Windows installer is too slow already in many systems, and we should be
> speeding it up, not taking advantage of its slowness to display ads in it.

+1

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--- Comment #12 from Adolfo Jayme  ---
Our Windows installer is too slow already in many systems, and we should be
speeding it up, not taking advantage of its slowness to display ads in it.

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--- Comment #11 from Aron Budea  ---
I timed the install process (after initial choices and permission request),
too, it takes:
 - ~45 seconds on my computer (~2 years old AMD machine, with SSD),
 - ~55 seconds on the same computer if the target drive is not on SSD,
 - ~1:30 on another older computer (~9 years old, with SSD).

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--- Comment #10 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Italo Vignoli from comment #9)
> Having abandoned Windows a while ago, I do not know how much time we would
> have to show some information about the product. I hope we are speaking
> about seconds. 

So I tested this with a Win 7 VM and 3 Gig memory in a laptop with Intel i5 5th
generation.
There is an initial ~5 seconds for some preparations.
Then a ~30 seconds for installation.
So that is the dialogs with the progress bar.
Before there are two and afterwards one windows asking OK,path and such.

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--- Comment #9 from Italo Vignoli  ---
Having abandoned Windows a while ago, I do not know how much time we would have
to show some information about the product. I hope we are speaking about
seconds. In general, I think we could find something nice to show, but then we
should also change it quite frequently (as I find the Ubuntu slide show quite
boring after a while).

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--- Comment #8 from Cor Nouws  ---
I just like the idea that in the - indeed long visible - Windows installer
shows some attractive marketing work. Sorry for that being misuse ;)

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--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Italo, what do you think about the proposal from the marketing POV?

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--- Comment #6 from Aron Budea  ---
You're right, this would be Windows only. The installer is slow there, takes
minutes to install/update on my system (could be faster with SSDs). I think
there's plenty of free time to show stuff there (of course I wouldn't to slow
down the process further).

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--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3)
> We also had/have a discussion to show what's new in an extra dialog after
> the first start. This way we have more control what happens on the user side.

Bug 69042

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--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Remark: To reach out the UX team its not enough to add the keyword needsUXEval.
You also need to CC to ux-advice... /done

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--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Running Arch Linux I wouldn't see any fancy information. GUI installers from
the various distributions may also present what the distro wants to add there.
So this proposal would be relevant for Windows only. 

And while the installation of a OS still takes some time, which could be used
to show additional information, the average program is updated quickly. As
Adolfo said, the slideshow would be 90th and slow down the installation.

We also had/have a discussion to show what's new in an extra dialog after the
first start. This way we have more control what happens on the user side.

WONTFIX in my opinion.

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--- Comment #2 from Aron Budea  ---
Okay, I can agree half of that, but I don't think an image slideshow during
installation (to be precise, when LO is being installed to disk), which is
absolutely dead time otherwise is detrimental to the installation experience.

So yeah, then don't add anything on main features to it, because those are
obvious, only the rest, and not just anything marketing-speak, but carefully
selected details that can be useful.

My concern is that exploring the site is a conscious, and not even minor effort
(yes, I think the site structure could be revised as well). Consequently I
don't think a lot of people are aware of those options.

Do you mind if we keep this open for a bit to have a meaningful discussion on
the topic? If the conclusion is that it's bad for the user experience, we can
close it afterwards. Thanks!

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--- Comment #1 from Adolfo Jayme  ---
I don’t think we should do this. Installation wizards have been historically
(read: the 90s) abused to display all kinds of random information, instead of
providing a streamlined, straight-to-the-point experience. In fact, we should
be reducing our installation wizard by, for example, dropping the much reviled
“Welcome” screen and reduce the amount of “Next… Next… Next” that has become so
ingrained in users’ habits to the point they don’t actually read any of the
wizard’s contents.

If our website is failing to communicate:

> general main features,
> new features,
> extension site,
> support site,
> other community/contribution sites/options

… then we should be reviewing the site’s structure. None of the above belongs
in the installation UI. It is not a place for advertising, and it is not
effective at being one (because users won’t read it, as explained above).

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