[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 103399] Editing: ALT+CTRL+ behaves as ALT+ in Writer

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Meanwhile we provide easy customization, maybe not for the shortcuts but that
is a most-wanted improvement in bug 115052. Issue is very much l10n-specific
and also depends on the OS and DE. Since we run out of shortcuts anyway,
limitation to alt+ (and no further modifier) won't fix.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 103399] Editing: ALT+CTRL+ behaves as ALT+ in Writer

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--- Comment #7 from Aron Budea  ---
(In reply to Frank from comment #2)
> Thanks V Stuart.  So this bug was introduced when rework on the ALT toggle
> was done to support GKT3.  
This bug was most likely introduced as a fix to bug 95761. That change has been
reverted, and it should work in 6.0.0 like before (a lot of similar issues that
are collected in the Shortcuts-AltGR meta bug are now fixed). Please test with
this new version.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 103399] Editing: ALT+CTRL+ behaves as ALT+ in Writer

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Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98259
[Bug 98259] [META] Keyboard shortcuts and accelerators bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107244
[Bug 107244] [META] Ctrl+Alt (aka AltGR) keyboard shortcut issues
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 103399] Editing: ALT+CTRL+ behaves as ALT+ in Writer

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #4)
> Leaning toward a NotOurBug for the described use case with external program.

My first idea was that hotkeys are case insensitive, and shift is needed for
the non-alphanumeric mnemonics. From wikipedia 'keyboard shortcut'

"At times, usually on Unix platforms, the case of the second character is
significant – if the character would normally require pressing the Shift key to
type, then the Shift key is part of the shortcut e.g. '^C' vs. '^c' or '^%' vs.
'^5'. ^% may also be written "Ctrl+⇧ Shift+5"."

Kate, very common Qt ASCII editor, forwards shift+alt+ into the document
instead to open the menu. Firefox does nothing on shift+alt+F, the same for
Inkscape, Gimp, Calligra...
WPS Writer allows alt+H as well as shift+a+H to enable the respective section.
The same for Thunderbird (surprisingly inconsistent for Mozilla).

So my take is to add this to the HIG (and apply of course):
* Unless not explicitly defined a shortcut is limited to only one key
combination. If alt+ is defined shift+alt+ will not work as an
alternative by default.

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--- Comment #5 from Frank  ---
Hi Stuart, sorry I was incorrectly refering to klm32, actually it is The
Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator (MSKLC)
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/globalization/keyboardlayouts.aspx
I have had it for years, thus I can type into browsers, mail, word processors
exactly the same way.  Set it up once and forget it.  

Past few hours, I recorded some macros for both Writer and MS Word.  In both
cases they are able to override the problem.  MS Word only caused problems when
the command was already defined, but it allows you to redefine them.  

Writer was annoying, because it never had this issue and I don"t see any reason
why it should now.  

Anyway I can force it with macros, so I am happy as a user, just thought this
feedback may help others.

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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--- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Leaning toward a NotOurBug for the described use case with external program.

@UX-advise?

=-ref-=
@Frank, is this the 3rd party program having issues?
http://www.klm32.com/

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--- Comment #3 from Frank  ---
Running some test on V.4.4.7.2 , indicated that accelerators were already
sequences of key entries on earlier versions.  Pushing "ALT  SHIFT  CTRL  a"
used to open the Table menu, but they were able to disregard and not interfere
with combinations such as ALT+CTRL+a.

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Frank  changed:

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 Resolution|INVALID |---
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--- Comment #2 from Frank  ---
Thanks V Stuart.  So this bug was introduced when rework on the ALT toggle was
done to support GKT3.  

Keyboard Layout Manager is a front end processor that facilitates customized
character input in a uniform way in all the applications on your computer. 
This is very useful when you work with various languages and mathematical
symbols.  

"The actual shortcuts are still available for assignment in Tools -> Customize
-> Keyboard assignments." is exactly the point.  

The combinations are not assigned and they should not be in LibreOffice, still
Writer interferes with the front end processor.  

Currently I kept V.4.4.7.2 on one of my machines, because you can type much
faster with a properly functioning ALT key.  

"The accelerators are no longer key combinations--but instead are sequences of
key entries to navigate menus."  Indeed you can push "ALT  SHIFT  CTRL  a" even
in this order and it still emulates "ALT+a".

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
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 Blocks||98259
 Resolution|--- |INVALID

--- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote  ---
This is not correctly described as you have mixed assignment and use of
mnemonic accelerators with short-cuts.

Rework on the ALT toggle was done to support GKT3, and the accelerator handling
changed. The accelerators are no longer key combinations--but instead are
sequences of key entries to navigate menus.

The actual shortcuts are still available for assignment.

With a clean profile none of the CTRL, SHIFT and ALT key combinations you list
are assigned, and all are available to use for customization via Tools ->
Customize -> Keyboard assignments.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98259
[Bug 98259] [META] Keyboard shortcuts and accelerators bugs and enhancements
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