[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 104255] Allow alphabetical sorting of headings

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--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
*** Bug 62282 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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*** Bug 148639 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 104255] Allow alphabetical sorting of headings

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Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103030
[Bug 103030] [META] Navigator sidebar deck and floating window
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 104255] Allow alphabetical sorting of headings

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--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
You can "Send Outline to Clipboard" (context menu at the Navigator) put that
into a table and sort.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 104255] Allow alphabetical sorting of headings

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
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--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to chris.siller from comment #7)
> I am suggesting to add the ability to sort the sequence of the HEADINGS
> THEMSELVES in the document flow (not their index entries, as requested in
> the other bug).

Such a (automatic) sort feature is a very complicated thing. Your example sorts
the second level but keeps the first heading, in other cases you may want to
sort only the third level or do it independently from any level. And actually
it is not the task of a word processor to generate structured text. If you
start to collect Grimm's work you do it in a database and export the result
eventually. Of course, sometimes it is necessary to sort headings but not
automatically. To do so we have the Navigator (hopefully improved sooner than
later
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/07/31/how-the-navigator-may-support-object-handling-in-libreoffice-draw/).

On the other hand the request makes sense in a few situations between the
structured data approach with Base and the manual processing in Writer. So my
recommendation is to have this feature as an extension. Changing the component
accordingly.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 104255] Allow alphabetical sorting of headings

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chris.sil...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #7 from chris.sil...@gmail.com ---
I don't agree with Heiko about this being a duplicate - the linked
bug/enhancement wants to sort the sequence of INDEX ENTRIES (that are made from
Headings) alphabetically, while leaving the actual document flow untouched.

I am suggesting to add the ability to sort the sequence of the HEADINGS
THEMSELVES in the document flow (not their index entries, as requested in the
other bug).

In short, my suggestion is:

add a “Sort A→Z” button to the navigator, allowing people to arrange headings
of a specific hierarchy level in alphabetical order. Ideally, this would be
possible over multiple hierarchy levels (e.g. sort only headings 2, OR sort
first heading 1 items alphabetcially, then underneath each heading 1, sort all
headings 2 alphabetically).

Alternatively, the same functionality could be achieved by extending the
existing Tools-Sort menu item to allow user to sort alphabetically by
headings-paragraph style (while bringing along any lower-level text like
text-body etc).

For an example when/how this would be useful, see attached file.

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--- Comment #6 from chris.sil...@gmail.com ---
Created attachment 129300
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=129300=edit
Sorting headings alphabetically - feature suggestion demo

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--- Comment #5 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4)
> Duplicate of bug 101252?

Chris: do you agree with Heiko?

Set to NEEDINFO.
Change back to UNCONFIRMED, if you don't. Change to RESOLVED DUPLICATE of
101252, if you do.

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--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Duplicate of bug 101252?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 104255] Allow alphabetical sorting of headings

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--- Comment #3 from chris.sil...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Buovjaga from comment #2)
> (In reply to chris.siller from comment #1)
> > Here is how to sort by paragraph styles in MS Office:
> > 
> > http://word.tips.net/T41_Sorting_by_Headings.html
> 
> The page gives a fatal error. Any more reliable resource?

Here is the full text explaining how to sort headings alphabetically in MS
Word:

 START WEB SNIPPET 
A useful trick you can use when developing some types of documents is the
ability to sort the various parts of the document based on the headings you
use. For instance, you can sort the document based on first-level headings
(paragraphs that use the Heading 1 style) by following these steps:

1. Switch to Outline view. (Either click the Outline view button on the status
bar or go to the View tab of the Ribbon and select Outline in the Views group.)
2. Using the controls on the Outlining tab of the ribbon, collapse the headings
so that only the first-level headings are shown. (This step is not strictly
necessary, but does make the screen a bit more readable.)
3. Place the cursor at the beginning of the first heading and press
Ctrl+Shift+End to select everything through the end of the document.
4. Display the Home tab of the ribbon.
5. Click the Sort tool in the Paragraph group. Word displays the Sort Text
dialog box. (See Figure 1.). Note: for versions earlier than Word 2003, the
Sort tool is in the table menu.
6. Click on OK to accept the default settings in the dialog box.

Had you skipped the first two steps and performed the sort in any view besides
Outline view, every paragraph would have been sorted alphabetically and
therefore rearranged so that subordinate paragraphs would be separated from
their headings. In other words, you would have a mess. However, in Outline
view, the highest-level headings are sorted, bringing along the subordinate
heading levels and body text.

If you wanted to sort by Heading 2 paragraphs, you should also use Outline
view, but you would have to first select all the Heading 2 paragraphs
subordinate to a particular Heading 1 paragraph and then sort. You will get the
same results regardless of how many heading levels that you show on the Outline
toolbar.

**END WEB SNIPPET 

So in short, to sort headings in word, you switch to the outline view, then
hide all levels in the hierarchy you do NOT want to have sorted, select all the
entries and then use the sort tool.

More links with essentially the same procedure described:

http://superuser.com/questions/589303/how-to-sort-headings-in-word-2010

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_word-mso_other/word-2010-sorting-a-z-for-a-sub-heading-and/96349042-aa06-4e19-91f3-a3acd75a2f7c

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--- Comment #2 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to chris.siller from comment #1)
> Here is how to sort by paragraph styles in MS Office:
> 
> http://word.tips.net/T41_Sorting_by_Headings.html

The page gives a fatal error. Any more reliable resource?

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--- Comment #1 from chris.sil...@gmail.com ---
Here is how to sort by paragraph styles in MS Office:

http://word.tips.net/T41_Sorting_by_Headings.html

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