[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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⁨خالد حسني⁩  changed:

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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Hossein  changed:

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--- Comment #12 from Hossein  ---
@Khaled: Could you please re-evaluate this issue, and see if it is still
relevant?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We are talking about
officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/UI/GenericCommands.xcu


  
  No-~width optional break
   


It inserts U+200B which is labeled 'ZERO WIDTH SPACE' so why not go with
"Insert U+200B Zero Width Space character" as Khaled suggests.


  
 No-width no ~break
   


That's U+2060, labeled 'WORD JOINER' and could be "Insert U+2060 Word Joiner
character".


I wonder if the ID is required, I would prefer to not put such tech talk into
tooltips.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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Khaled Hosny  changed:

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 Resolution|DUPLICATE   |---
 Status|RESOLVED|NEW

--- Comment #10 from Khaled Hosny  ---
This is the older report, just add any additional information here, or make the
other issue depend on this. This can’t be a duplicate of an issue that were
reported after it especially when this had a useful discussion already.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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Harald Koester  changed:

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 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #9 from Harald Koester  ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #6)
> *** Bug 119723 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

In bug 119723 there are more cases of incorrect terms listed. So the cases in
this report (107447) are a subset. Hence the correct state for this report
should be "Dupe of 119723" in order to cover all cases.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 119723 ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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Xisco Faulí  changed:

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   Keywords||needsUXEval
   Severity|normal  |enhancement
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
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Version|unspecified |Inherited From OOo

--- Comment #8 from Xisco Faulí  ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #7)
> Checking the code, 
> No-width optional break, inserts U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE
> No-width no ~break, inserts U+2060 WORD JOINER
> 
> So these are different characters from ZWJ and ZWNJ, but I still think the
> names need to be changed because they are still confusing. People should not
> need to check the code to find out what character is this. One suggestion is
> to keep the terminology (for familiarity of existing users), and add the
> actual character code point between parentheses, and the full name in the
> tooltip.
> 
> 
> e.g.:
> 
> No-width optional break (U+200B) → tooltip: Inserts U+200B Zero Width Space

Adding UX Team

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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--- Comment #7 from Khaled Hosny  ---
Checking the code, 
No-width optional break, inserts U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE
No-width no ~break, inserts U+2060 WORD JOINER

So these are different characters from ZWJ and ZWNJ, but I still think the
names need to be changed because they are still confusing. People should not
need to check the code to find out what character is this. One suggestion is to
keep the terminology (for familiarity of existing users), and add the actual
character code point between parentheses, and the full name in the tooltip.


e.g.:

No-width optional break (U+200B) → tooltip: Inserts U+200B Zero Width Space

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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--- Comment #6 from Khaled Hosny  ---
*** Bug 119723 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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Khaled Hosny  changed:

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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Harald Koester  changed:

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 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE
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--- Comment #5 from Harald Koester  ---
This bug is a subset of bug 119723. Hence marked as duplicate.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 119723 ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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Sophia Schroeder  changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Sophia Schroeder  ---
I see there is nothing I can do about in the moment, so reassigned to default
and remarking to new.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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--- Comment #3 from Khaled Hosny  ---
This very bug is even an evidence about this confusion since “No-width optional
break” is actually “zero-width space” not “zero-width non-joiner”. Actually I’m
not even sure, I need to check the source code…

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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Khaled Hosny  changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Khaled Hosny  ---
I disagree. I find our terms confusing, and every time I have to look it up to
find what Unicode character this is going to insert. I actually never seen
these terms used outside of OOo/LibreOffice.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107447] Terms of 2 Formatting Marks are different to the Unicode Terms

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Adolfo Jayme  changed:

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 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #1 from Adolfo Jayme  ---
Our terms are better; they are more familiar to DTP users. We don’t have to
match any technical term just for the sake of it; and Unicode has given
misnomers in the past.

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 Blocks||102345


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102345
[Bug 102345] [META] Formatting marks (aka Non-printing characters) bugs and
enhancements
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