[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107857] Incorrect formatting logic when replacing formatted selected text (should be true replace instead of delete+insert)

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--- Comment #27 from Matt K  ---
I can still reproduce in Calc using:

Version: 24.2.0.0.alpha0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: e37dcb3ca36bb6c23b15757e6e556ad25832398c
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19045; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded

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--- Comment #25 from Christopher Yeleighton  ---
To reproduce in Writer:
1. Open a new empty document.
2. [A] [ ] [Ctrl [B]] [B] [Home] [Shift [→] [→]] [C]

Result: Bold "cb".

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*** Bug 108333 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #23 from Cor Nouws  ---
I agree that it is wrong behavior.

If you do the same text without spaces, so RGB, the selected G will be replaced
with a green g.

(In reply to QA Administrators from comment #22)

Still unchanged in LODev7.0

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--- Comment #20 from Kevin  ---
Created attachment 134204
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absolute simplest case

Reading some of the comments on other reports I'm starting to see that Calc
differentiates between formatting set from within the cell versus to the cell
itself. This attachment demonstrates the bug completely within a fresh cell -
absolutely no complications.

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--- Comment #19 from Heiko Tietze  ---
I believe everything is clear now and the bug can be fixed: instead of
delete+insert the override function has to work as a true replace. More
comments would add confusion only.

(In reply to Kevin from comment #13)
> I'm making an elaborate representation of all of the songs of The Beatles -
> well over 200 - and each one has many complex sections.

Hope you will share the result with the community so that everyone can get an
impression of the power of Calc :-). 
The design team has a nice blog for that purpose, in case you don't know how to
do it.

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--- Comment #18 from Kevin  ---
The new attachment, 10857-c.odsm demonstrates (and includes steps and notes
for) another buggy behavior that I believe shares the same root cause. I could
give you 50 or 100 different sets of steps, each producing another result that
appears to be a separate bug, but I'm pretty sure they all stem from the same
code behavior that you guys are discussing - this thing about "not doing a true
replace", but as you can see, it goes well beyond just "unexpected UI behavior"
- it can cause behavior that is unequivocally buggy (i.e., the same steps
produce different results in seemingly identical situations), as opposed to
simply being different from Excel but consistently different.

I don't use Writer, but I tried the original steps and it did indeed occur in
that program (but not in Word or Excel or any other non-Office program).

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--- Comment #17 from Kevin  ---
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steps for the comment referencing 10857-c.ods

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This goes with the comment that references 10857-b.ods (steps in spreadsheet)

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--- Comment #15 from Kevin  ---
Here's another way that this problem manifests itself, including a bizarre
mystery I can't solve. In the attached .ODS file (10857-b.ods) there are steps
and two cells that LOOK completely identical but the buggy behavior only occurs
in one of them.

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--- Comment #14 from Kevin  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #11)

> It seems, that LO does a "delete" followed by an "insert" instead of a true
> "replace". 

YES! When you select something, what you type should "replace" the text and
retain the format. That's how users understand computers:

1. select something to the computer what you want to apply a command to

2. apply the command - it changes the selection

But the way Calc is coded, when you apply the command, it goes to an unselected
part of the document and changes that 
How can that possibly not be a bug? How can you trust and become intuitive
about a program that keeps changing things you didn't ask it to change?

I admit that I do not know how to write a line of code, but I was a full-time
professional software tester for 15 years and the bugginess this behavior is
supported by every instinct I learned during that time, in addition to the
thousands of hours I've spent as a user of this type of program.

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--- Comment #13 from Kevin  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #10)

> Of course, I might be wrong.

As someone who has been using this small portion (formatting) of the program 8
to 12 hours a day, seven days a week, abd using it only to create graphics (no
math functions), I hope I can convince you that you are indeed quite wrong.
There's no substitute for the understanding gained from spending hundreds of
hours trying to make a super complex spreadsheet look right, and there's no
substitute for the experience gained from being forced to keep proofreading the
content of the spreadsheet and having to re-enter cells to correct the data or
format. It's down here in the trenches that the faulty logic of the program
makes itself so painfully apparent.

I'm making an elaborate representation of all of the songs of The Beatles -
well over 200 - and each one has many complex sections. Each time I get to a
new section or a new song I use similar functions of Calc. I'm only using less
than 1% of the code you've written but I'm using that 1% in every possible way
- if I can find a more convenient way to do any single operation it will save
me hours in the long run because of the repetitive nature of what I'm doing.
I've tried many different workflows.

I've tried this in Excel and Calc. Calc - on balance - has less problems and
that's why I'm taking the time to try to convince you to fix it. Trust me - it
needs fixing very badly. The way you've got it coded now is enough to make the
user rip his or her hair out in large bunches. The user needs to be able to act
on a selection without the program changing something that's not selected. I
can't say it enough - it's not enough to code the program - you have to USE the
program to see why your users are so frustrated.

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--- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #11)
> Heiko: I see it different. Perhaps the problem is clearer, if I describe it
> with markup, although that is not the internal representation:
> ...

If we talk about overriding a character only, as you describe very clearly,
with the intention to keep and harmonize the current workflow I have no
concerns. But when it's about how insert/edit works, we should make sure to not
harm any other use case.

So actually this is not a UX question but an ordinary bug. Removing the
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--- Comment #11 from Regina Henschel  ---
Heiko: I see it different. Perhaps the problem is clearer, if I describe it
with markup, although that is not the internal representation:

The text has the form
R
G B 

Now I select the G and press key g.

Expected: G has been replaced with g
R
g B 

But I get
R
g B 

It seems, that LO does a "delete" followed by an "insert" instead of a true
"replace". For an "insert" it is the correct behavior to continue the style of
the previous character, but here a "replace" is intended and the undo names it
"Replace". To get what you want, you have to insert the g after the G and then
go back and delete the G.

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--- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze  ---
If you have a whitespace between the characters you can change the font being
entered. The same is true for selections.

But anyway, I believe there are good reasons to keep the formatting as it is.
The continuation of formatting until a whitespace character is more convenient
as the rare cases when properties are changed arbitrarily. Of course, I might
be wrong.

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--- Comment #9 from Kevin  ---
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--- Comment #8 from Kevin  ---
This has another manifestation - simply changing the font (or format) affects
characters not even selected - see new attachment107857.ods.

1. insert blinking cursor between "I" and "N" in cell B3 (don't select any
characters, just put the cursor in that position)
2. set the font to Symbol, planning to type the U+2665 necessary to get the
heart

result: see D3 – simply change the font without typing anything automatically
changes the font for the existing characters!

to reproduce without the ods file:

1. set the font to arial
2. type two characters
3. position the cursor between the characters
4. change font to symbol
5. the whole cell changes to symbol on its own (the user desires to type new
characters in symbol font

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--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #6)
> Your screencast does not contain the critical part. Mark the green G and
> enter a g.

Ah... on editing it takes the style from the character before. 

Make me *bold*.
Make me *b * (continuation the style is not questionable)
Make *me* bold. (entering text after the e keeps the bold style)
Make *me *bold. (entering text before the b keeps the bold style)
Make *me* bold. (entering text before the b has no bold style)

Doing the same with colors it works similarly:

RedR RGreenG GBlue
(Font color set to red/green/blue until the next word, ie. including the
character. R=Entered text is red, G=Green.)

Same is true for LibO and Office2010

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--- Comment #6 from Regina Henschel  ---
Your screencast does not contain the critical part. Mark the green G and enter
a g.

Expected: You get a green g.
Currently: You get a red g.

Another hint (besides the empty  element), that this is really a
bug: Do the same with RGB without spaces. Now you get a green g.

The same error is in Writer.

The behavior is different from MS Office and WordPad, SoftMaker and KingSoft
Writer. Gnumeric gives a red g.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107857] Incorrect Formatting Logic

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--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Created attachment 133373
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Screencast

I don't get the issue, see my screencast.

In general, we keep the style from the previous part for good reasons. Lets say
want you enter a statement in bold, then you switch bold on first and enter the
text later. If you do the same afterwards with a selection it makes of course
no sense to keep bold active. The same is true for other style elements such as
font color. Is that really different from other tools?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107857] Incorrect Formatting Logic

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Regina Henschel  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||rb.hensc...@t-online.de

--- Comment #4 from Regina Henschel  ---
I think it is a bug, because it leaves over an empty span element. If it was an
intended behavior, the empty span element would have been removed.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107857] Incorrect Formatting Logic

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Thomas Lendo  changed:

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   Keywords||needsUXEval
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org

--- Comment #3 from Thomas Lendo  ---
Add keyword needsUXEval, maybe it's an intended behavior. But I also stumbled
over this issue in Writer in the past.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107857] Incorrect Formatting Logic

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Thomas Lendo  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC||thomas.le...@gmail.com
  Component|Calc|LibreOffice
   Hardware|x86 (IA32)  |All
Version|5.3.1.2 release |Inherited From OOo
 Ever confirmed|0   |1
 OS|Windows (All)   |All

--- Comment #2 from Thomas Lendo  ---
This behavior​ is the same in all LibO applications. Therefore I set component
to LibreOffice, hardware to all and version to inherited from OOo because LibO
3.3.0 shows the same.

Tested with 5.3.1.2 and 3.3.0.

LibO uses the formatting of the space before the inserted character. I couldn't
reproduce it without spaces.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107857] Incorrect Formatting Logic

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--- Comment #1 from Kevin  ---
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demonstrates both sets of steps

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