[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113488] Better support for Assistive Technology tools by exposing descriptive tooltips text with keyboard navigation

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME
 Status|NEEDINFO|RESOLVED

--- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Spent some time with this again, with NVDA 2021.2 on Win 10 and
Version: 7.6.0.0.alpha0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: b9e3e20bfd102880d12384892eaeca094c38a519
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19044; UI render: Skia/Vulkan; VCL: win
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded

with its corresponding Offline/Local help en-US help pack installed.

And also
Version: 7.6.0.0.alpha0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 98f0dd5e15733ac7f1d929d06ab230b5f04121d5
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19044; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded

but without its offline/local help installed.

With the NVDA screen reader enabled we correctly detect the Assistive
Technology (AT) support demand--and the Tools -> Options -> General -> Help
'Extended Tips' responds as activated, as if it had been checked enabled.

However, there no longer is a distinction between descriptions drawn from
offline help and what is compiled/translated in core.  The  links are
present and respond with the HTML local or on-line help--but no longer provide
the extended tips as with the old Help system.

I think we can close this out, as the 'Extended tips' are being delivered for
keyboard navigation when AT is signaled active. And not clear the framework of
the Help2 can still draw from the help pack content beyond the  linkages.

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--- Comment #2 from Michael Weghorn  ---
(In reply to Michael Weghorn from comment #1)
> Is it to have the tooltips read out by default by screen readers when
> focusing an item using the keyboard, e.g. by having them in the accessible
> name (or accessible description)?
> 
> If so: At least Orca and NVDA have an option in their settings to announce
> tooltips also, so I'm wondering whether it shouldn't be dependent on that
> option whether or not tooltips are announced.

After having looked closer at this option in Orca: I probably misunderstood
what the option is about. I thought that would somehow also have an effect when
moving keyboard focus to a UI element, but it seems to be mostly about tooltips
actually shown on screen, e.g. when hovering using the mouse. (And the "Present
tooltips" options is actually in a "Mouse" section in Orca settings.)

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--- Comment #1 from Michael Weghorn  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #0)
> A rework of label structure for menus, context menus and toolbar button
> labels is being looked at for bug 108458. Perhaps in  conjunction with that,
> some structural change to facilitate use of tooltip/extended tooltips with
> keyboard navigation might be implemented.

I came across tdf#108458 in the context of
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/136722 (v1), which then brought me here
again.

I don't really understand what the exact intention/request here is:

Is it to have the tooltips read out by default by screen readers when focusing
an item using the keyboard, e.g. by having them in the accessible name (or
accessible description)?

If so: At least Orca and NVDA have an option in their settings to announce
tooltips also, so I'm wondering whether it shouldn't be dependent on that
option whether or not tooltips are announced.

Since, IIUC, tooltips can contain rather long help texts, I tend to think that
not all users would want to have them announced every time (in particular when
experienced with the functionality currently being used), but a short label
might be enough then?
(And it would hopefully be possible to press some keyboard shortcut to have the
screen reader announce the tooltip on demand, but I don't know whether that's
currently implemented in the screen readers. Or is it, but LO doesn't provide
the information when the UI element has been accessed using the keyboard, as
opposed to when mouse-hovering over them?)


@Stuart: Could you possibly clarify a bit further what the request in this
ticket is (maybe also giving an example scenario of how that would be used)?

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   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14
   ||0762

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Blocks||101912, 108400
 Ever confirmed|0   |1


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101912
[Bug 101912] [META] Accessibility (a11y) bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108400
[Bug 108400] [META] Toolbar tooltip bugs and enhancements
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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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   Keywords||accessibility
 CC||momonas...@gmail.com,
   ||philip...@hotmail.com,
   ||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10
   ||8458
 Blocks||113342, 85811, 86349


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85811
[Bug 85811] [META] Main menu bar bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86349
[Bug 86349] [META] Context menu bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113342
[Bug 113342] [META] Toolbar label bugs and enhancements
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